A immigration wall ???? I understand that the flood of immigrants could be a major problem in mnay different areas.....How does it effect you in your area ???
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If we can keep those guys from MO out, it will be great!mark the shoeshine boy said:A immigration wall ???? I understand that the flood of immigrants could be a major problem in mnay different areas.....How does it effect you in your area ???
mark the shoeshine boy
guenron said:If we can keep those guys from MO out, it will be great!
mrob said:It all smacks of the creation of yet another "societal crisis" (gay marriage, singing the National Anthem in Spanish, etc.) by the neo-conservative extremists to take the public's attention off the war and how poorly the current administration is doing (sub-30% approval ratings and dropping). But I know I'm overly cynical. . .
zaphf said:1. Neo-cons want cheap unskilled labor and don't care that society is basically subsidising in other ways for it. Illegal imigration, and the guest worker program, are in essence HUGE CORPORATE WELFARE programs. We pay for the benefits of the workers, they might not even be paying taxes. The company just gets to pay people a hell of a lot less for unskilled labor, and gets a better quality worker for the money.
mrob said:I really do appreciate the complexity of the problem, and see that those on both sides have valid points. I just don't think that a "simple solution" (a big wall on the Mexican border) is going to solve a complicated problem. It hasn't worked so well for Germany or China, and it makes me sad that we seem to be using these countries as role models. What are we becoming?
mrob said:I'm not disagreeing that there's a problem, just cautioning against the solution.
mrob said:I think this is a bit of a disingenuous argument--it sounds like what the Right is doing now with big business in general--a huge corporate welfare program.
mrob said:Of course big business wants cheap, unskilled labor, and if they can't get it here with illegal aliens--and the working poor (read Barbara Erenreich's "Nickel and Dimed" for a tremendous accounting of the lives of those who work for minimum wage and below, mostly legally), then they'll move the jobs overseas and get it at the source. And while the workers may be cheaper, I'm not sure that in many cases they are actually more skilled--maybe in the high-tech sector?
mrob said:I really do appreciate the complexity of the problem, and see that those on both sides have valid points. I just don't think that a "simple solution" (a big wall on the Mexican border) is going to solve a complicated problem. It hasn't worked so well for Germany or China, and it makes me sad that we seem to be using these countries as role models. What are we becoming?
guenron said:If we can keep those guys from MO out, it will be great!
mark the shoeshine boy said:I don't believe they are doing the jobs other won't do, myself....any thoughts...
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The greatest engineering project ongoing now is plumbing to Mark's out house.ouch said:Is anybody doing anything anymore? I mean, what's the last large scale engineering project you can name? I don't mean the internet, or the human genome project. I mean real work. How did we manage to pull off the Hoover Dam, Mt. Rushmore, all of those wonderful bridges and tunnels, some built before the advent of the automobile? Where are the modern equivalents of the Empire State Building? The superconducting supercollider was cancelled, and the Hubble telescope, good as it is, was delivered faulty.
And, most importantly, where the hell is my George Jetson car?
Once again the shoeshine boy waxes poetic.. What nostalgia.. Hey Mark, pass the Sears Catalog.mark the shoeshine boy said:oh that little whitewashed building behind the barn...
was the most important building on our farm...
it was where daddy would take his ease...
with his elbows on his knees..
oh that little whitewashed building behind the barn....
there's three verses of this, Ron.....
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