Well I received my Bellroy yesterday, and have to say, it does not perform as advertised...with only 6 cards and about 10 bills the wallet is just as thick (and awkwardly so) as my $20 pierre cardin i got at TJ Maxx that I am trying to upgrade. So for the money, I do not find this will meet my needs and will ship back. My try ther more traditional shaped "hide and sleek" but will look more closely at the others you all have mentioned here.