Same load just aim higher.
9mm carry load for cold weather.
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This.
Or HST 124 +P.
Even here in Wisconsin I don't feel there's a need to switch loads because of heavier clothing in the winter. Unless someone is wearing body armor, I can't imagine there's an appreciable difference.
Tap Rack Bang does work well for FTF’s & Stovepipes, but not Double feeds?Oh…tap & rack drill. Works surprisingly well
DF’s will need the magazine dropped, the slide manipulated several times in order to clear both rounds and then a fresh magazine inserted and then the slide charged again, in order to get back in the fight?
When I carried a P220 regularly, I never changed from the standard LE load.
And nothing from Wanamaker's or Macy's worn after October was going to stop it.
And nothing from Wanamaker's or Macy's worn after October was going to stop it.
that's easy I bring the EAA when i want to do fail drills
This is my go to year round, will work in any conditions.
Tap Rack Bang does work well for FTF’s & Stovepipes, but not Double feeds?
DF’s will need the magazine dropped, the slide manipulated several times in order to clear both rounds and then a fresh magazine inserted and then the slide charged again, in order to get back in the fight?
NY reload is faster.
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I've been relying on Speer 115-grain Gold Dot since the mid-1990s, when I lived in Rochester, New York -- a place not known for its balmy weather.
The Lucky Gunner site's testing shows that this Gold Dot has an average gel penetration of 16.4", and a minimum of 14.9". I don't think you want a round that penetrates much more than that, and there's just no way it's not up to the task of layered clothing.
I'm not shilling for the Gold Dot; I'm just saying you don't need to use higher-grain loads in cold weather.
The Lucky Gunner site's testing shows that this Gold Dot has an average gel penetration of 16.4", and a minimum of 14.9". I don't think you want a round that penetrates much more than that, and there's just no way it's not up to the task of layered clothing.
I'm not shilling for the Gold Dot; I'm just saying you don't need to use higher-grain loads in cold weather.
I prefer Gold Dot over all others my self. I wonder if there are any shooting statistics on police officers in NY using the 115 gr GD on felons with thick goose down jackets on. I like Gold Dot 124 gr +P in most of my 9mm carry pistols, as the xtra velocity makes sure that HP opens up and expands reliably. There are two ways to thump a man with a bullet. The 9mm +P can thump a bit with it's increased speed at 396 ft pounds at the muzzle. I'm sure, most of that 396 ft pounds of thumping power is from the velocity and not the bullet weight which is around 1175 fps.
Just as the 230 gr. .45 ACP has a 533 ft pounds of energy at the muzzle. But since it's moving at the tawdry slow sub sonic speed of 830 fps, it's pretty clear to me, it's thumping power relies on that 230 gr slug.
Not that I mind carrying a 9mm in heavy coat weather, cuz 10 rounds of 124 gr +P Gold Dots are still effective no matter the weather or clothing. But in cold weather/heavy clothing, round for round? Kinda like in the UFC where they have a pound for pound best fighter in the UFC? Give me the .40 165 gr. Gold Dot which uses the best of both worlds if we are talking the pound for pound best self defensive cartridge which comes in a normal sized carry package. 165 0r 180 grains moving at 1150 fps will have two completely different ways to thump over just one versus the other two above.
There are outliers like the .357 Sig and the 10mm, but neither are considered a common carry round in pistols that people want to conceal carry other than big coat weather where they can be concealed.
warm weather or cold weather: putting accurate, well aimed shots in the kill zone of a man ends the gunfight every time.........
While this is true; the fast, extremely violent dynamics of a gunfight, makes accurate, well aimed shots, the exception and definitely not the rule. Real life hardly ever meets our preconceived expectations. Especially in a gunfight.
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Are Barnes copper bullets any good?
I'd rather have too much penetration than not enough. The bullet will be doing damage all the way.
I just carry 7.62x25 Tok in winter.A Tok is a blasty but slim carry. Bottleneck carts never jam. And it was designed to go through, er, heavy Siberian-style winter jackets.
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A Tok is a blasty but slim carry. Bottleneck carts never jam. And it was designed to go through, er, heavy Siberian-style winter jackets.
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Thinking outside the box, I like it!
Thinking outside the box, I like it!
It's my go-to bear cartridge. Knowing that I will die, and the bear too – but a week later from through-and-through infection.
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