Well, next they'll make being here illegally illegal. The Nerve!
I am confused....
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Being as I live in Arizona I feel the need to comment. The reasons for this bill being passed is because of the crime committed by illegals. In fact THE CRIME that caused it to be passed was the most recent one where a rancher down south along the border was murdered in his home by an illegal. That was the straw that broke the camel's back. But Arizona has been a hot bed of kidnappings, of illegals by illegals. Human trafficking, again of illegals and those who make their money that way are called Coyotes. And many of these kidnappings are also connected to drugs. The cartels use the Coyotes and the illegals in their operations. And another big crime here not connected to the kidnappings but are connected to the illegals has been the rise in home invasions. Forced entry with guns, robbery and assault. And the descriptions of the suspects all have them being hispanic. So far as I have read those that have been caught have all been illegal aliens. Plus there is the car theft or should I say truck theft. Trucks are a hot item, they are stolen and taken south of the border, refitted and used to bring drugs back into the states.
So basically the reasons behind the bill are meant to enforce the immigration laws already on the books and to cut back on crime committed by illegals. All those in Washington and other places decrying the law and screaming "Racist" don't live here and don't have to deal with problems that are caused by illegal immigration.
So basically the reasons behind the bill are meant to enforce the immigration laws already on the books and to cut back on crime committed by illegals. All those in Washington and other places decrying the law and screaming "Racist" don't live here and don't have to deal with problems that are caused by illegal immigration.
I am not going to get into a discussion regarding the immigration issue because i have fairly strong feelings about it however i did want to bring up something that came up in regards to the police being able to stop you for no reason. They can already do that. I spoke with a police officer friend of mine and they only have to be able to give some type of logical reason for doing so and they can go up to anyone on the street and ask to see identification. Suspicious behavior is a reason and any behavior can be labeled as suspicious as long as it is spun right.
Having Nerve has pretty much been declared illegal.
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The bill linked is not the signed legislation. The legislation recently signed by the governor does have the language quoted above.
Source.
That article never demonstrates how Federal law is trumped.
Here is the Supremacy Clause, how does the AZ law violate it?
I'm too tired (and I mean that literally, not dismissively) to get into a discussion of federal preemption. Suffice it to say that I think the Arizona law will probably be ruled unconstitutional, but not necessarily that it's a slam-dunk, which is why I said I "would not be surprised" if it is struck down.
Whether the law is a good idea or not is another question, but I've said enough on that already.
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well put.
I'm glad you have confidence that the system will treat all fairly..
But, I seem to doubt that most people would be so accepting of being stopped to show their papers on the whim of any cop with an agenda..
This law is not the way to stop the problem of illegal immigration. You should go after the companies that hire illegals. It is easy in this day and age to make sure their social security # corresponds to them. Employers should check them and be required to do so. Creating a police state is not the way to handle this situation. If people wouldn't hire illegals, they would not come here. If I had to live somewhere illegally to take care of my family, I would.
Agreed on all points.
Thanks for the updated info.
I am a professional immigrant so to speak.I have been both legal and illegal though not in this country.I know how powerless you feel when you're an illegal. Without many words I want to make a quick point.As long as rapacious politics will try to cash in on this huge problem ther will not be a real solution .Fingerpointing will draw more of fingerpointing and politics will pretend to side with the week and powerless until the vote is casted.Silence and oblivion is what comes after!!!!
That's fine. I disagree though, the way I understand it, the AZ references Fed law and reinforces it instead of clashing with it, but like you said we will have to wait and see what happens. It will be interesting.
I spent 30 years as an INS Special Agent. The State has no authority to enforce Immigration laws plain and simple. They can pass whatever law they want but in the end when they catch the aliens and call ICE to come get them ICE will probably say no then what is Arizona going to do? They won't be able to afford to hold them and they can't deport them and very quickly they will be sued for violating someones civil rights. I predict it will be a law that will never be enforced.
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