Yet another reason not to buy a Toyota

[funkyb]

You're disregarding the fact that the line graph for deaths includes deaths where the acceleration issue didn't occur, making it meaningless.

Not sure I understand where the disregardation is, I'm not drawing conclusions on the black line. The comment I had on the deaths line was only in to clarify the orange bars do not represent deaths, as there seemed to be some confusion.

 

[thunderball]

Personally I still trust Toyota. Yes, they have pretty much screwed their customers over, but then again, American automakers have been doing this forever. In my humble opinion, I think this is being blown out of proportion because US automakers are hurting.

+1 Yep.

 

[Stubblefield]

Design and styling of Japanese cars for the American Market is often outsourced to American design firms. I know Honda does this.

As does Nissan as well.

My boss' new tundra gets 15 mpg max highway, my f150? 27 highway. His makes all kinds of squeaking, clunking, very loud inside the cab, the paint is a nice dusting on the metal the car wash brush rubs it off. My f150 Makes no noise at all, no squeaks, bangs, or clunks. Its very quiet inside. The paint? not a problem. In my mine our 1973 f150 is way better quality then a 2010 tundra.

Honestly, Ford trucks are rock solid. I'm really tempted to drop my import and pick one up, because the build quality is so good. If you want a drive and forget vehicle, the F150 is it.

Tho I'm guessing you have a 6 in your 150, given your MPG.

 

[faster_than_u]

As does Nissan as well.

Honestly, Ford trucks are rock solid. I'm really tempted to drop my import and pick one up, because the build quality is so good. If you want a drive and forget vehicle, the F150 is it.

Tho I'm guessing you have a 6 in your 150, given your MPG.

Ford does not offer a v6. 4.6 2V v8 4 spd, 4.6 3V v8 6spd, and 5.4 3V v8 6 spd. One thing you need to remember is that in Canada we use imperial gallons not us gallons. My f150 is light years ahead of the most expensive tundra (mine is only a xlt btw). Quiet steel ftw.

Its all in the recalls there are 0 for 09-10 f150's and 0910 tunda's well we wont go there.

 

[mmack66]

Ford does not offer a v6. 4.6 2V v8 4 spd, 4.6 3V v8 6spd, and 5.4 3V v8 6 spd. One thing you need to remember is that in Canada we use imperial gallons not us gallons. My f150 is light years ahead of the most expensive tundra (mine is only a xlt btw). Quiet steel ftw.

Its all in the recalls there are 0 for 09-10 f150's and 0910 tunda's well we wont go there.

I can understand your loyalty to Ford but seriously, don't get carried away with some ridiculous comparison. Ford has had their fair share of recalls.

 

[LexusAussie]

Yes, according to this, 17 reported. Bear in mind, of course, that Toyota sells about 11 vehicles in the U.S. for every one that it sells in Canada.

With respect to the general acceleration issue, Toyota has recalled vehicles worldwide.

- Chris

With all due respect, recalling vehicles isn't the same thing as reporting issues.

There haven't been any incidents reported outside of North America that I can find.

This still smells like a stitch up.

 

[DapperJames]

Ford does not offer a v6. 4.6 2V v8 4 spd, 4.6 3V v8 6spd, and 5.4 3V v8 6 spd. One thing you need to remember is that in Canada we use imperial gallons not us gallons. My f150 is light years ahead of the most expensive tundra (mine is only a xlt btw). Quiet steel ftw.

Its all in the recalls there are 0 for 09-10 f150's and 0910 tunda's well we wont go there.

Thought you may be interested in this. These selections are from the 2010 J.D. Power and Associates annual vehicle dependability study. Which is one of the industry's most closely watched measures of car quality.

Midsize Multi-Activity Vehicle
Toyota Highlander

Large Multi-Activity Vehicle
Toyota Sequoia

Large Pickup
Toyota Tundra

From the article...
"The study should also remind people that Toyota's cars, despite its recent high-profile recalls, are still among the most reliable. Toyota took four segment awards, more than any other brand, with the Prius hybrid, Highlander crossover, Sequoia SUV and Tundra pickup ranked the most dependable in their respective classes."

 

[Stubblefield]

Ford does not offer a v6. 4.6 2V v8 4 spd, 4.6 3V v8 6spd, and 5.4 3V v8 6 spd. One thing you need to remember is that in Canada we use imperial gallons not us gallons. My f150 is light years ahead of the most expensive tundra (mine is only a xlt btw). Quiet steel ftw.

I know Ford does not make a V-6 for the 150. Never suggested that.

You said:

In my mine our 1973 f150 is way better quality then a 2010 tundra.

Given the age of your 150, I assumed it was a straight 6. Are we still talking about the same Ford?

Given the Imperial to US gallon conversion, you are suggesting your boss'es Tundra gets around 8MPG US.

 

[faster_than_u]

I know Ford does not make a V-6 for the 150. Never suggested that.

You said:



Given the age of your 150, I assumed it was a straight 6. Are we still talking about the same Ford?

Given the Imperial to US gallon conversion, you are suggesting your boss'es Tundra gets around 8MPG US.

I just bought a new one.

in our 73 its a 460. I meant to say in my mine our 1973 f150 is way better quality then a 2010 tundra.

 

[faster_than_u]

I can understand your loyalty to Ford but seriously, don't get carried away with some ridiculous comparison. Ford has had their fair share of recalls.

I never said that they didnt have recalls I said for the 09/10 f150's there are none unlike some other companies.

Thought you may be interested in this. These selections are from the 2010 J.D. Power and Associates annual vehicle dependability study. Which is one of the industry's most closely watched measures of car quality.

Midsize Multi-Activity Vehicle
Toyota Highlander

Large Multi-Activity Vehicle
Toyota Sequoia

Large Pickup
Toyota Tundra

From the article...
"The study should also remind people that Toyota's cars, despite its recent high-profile recalls, are still among the most reliable. Toyota took four segment awards, more than any other brand, with the Prius hybrid, Highlander crossover, Sequoia SUV and Tundra pickup ranked the most dependable in their respective classes."

Those things dont matter to me at all. I care about the real world here not what some guys driving these around a test track thing. Get out and use them for there intended purpose then see what happens. If they did test them like that then maybe a chev or a dodge would be better then just looking at them.

 

[DapperJames]

Those things dont matter to me at all. I care about the real world here not what some guys driving these around a test track thing. Get out and use them for there intended purpose then see what happens. If they did test them like that then maybe a chev or a dodge would be better then just looking at them.

Those are "real world" results based on consumer (people who actually drive the vehicles every day) surveys.

 

[funkyb]

*dusts off this old thread*

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703834604575364871534435744.html

and after examining dozens of data recorders from the affected cars, the NHTSA and USDOT concluded that of the data they have analyzed all but one of the problems were caused by driver error. FTA -


NHTSA has received more than 3,000 complaints of sudden acceleration in Toyotas and Lexuses, including some dating to early last decade, according to a report the agency compiled in March. The incidents include 75 fatal crashes involving 93 deaths.

However, NHTSA has been able to verify that only one of those fatal crashes was caused by a problem with the vehicle, according to information the agency provided to the National Academy of Sciences. That accident last Aug. 28, which killed a California highway patrolman and three passengers in a Lexus, was traced to a floor mat that trapped the gas pedal in the depressed position.