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Which Slant to buy? Rex Konsul, Razorock SuperSlant, Used Wunderbar or Other?

I'd like to buy 1 slant to rule them all!
What do you all suggest and why?

I currently rotate the Lupo 95 (SB and OC) and the Rex Ambassador.
I also have a Rockwell 6S that I like when I want less blade feel.

I appreciate your input :D
 

Old Hippie

Somewhere between 61 and dead
One slant to rule them all? Your forum handle should be "Sauron Shaves." :001_rolle

Well, you woke me up so here goes:

The Rex Konsul being an adjustable slant could theoretically stand in for just about any other one except for maybe the Yaqi one. So there you go; $350 and it's yours.

I don't really have any horse in the race, but just by accident most of us who tilt started out with non-adjustable slants such as the Merkur 37, RazoRock German 37, Parker Semi-Slant, Phoenix Bakelite Open Comb Slant (PBOCS), PAA "Monster" series slants, or a whole range of vintage from a diversity of makers. I'll be straight up and say that we started with nonadjustables because that was all we had (unless we had a Walbusch B5 lying around...)

I have a feeling -- because I would feel this if it were me -- that if you go straight to the Konsul you will always wonder whether you've got The One or maybe just One Slant That Only Rules Some Of Them. On the other hand, going the usual route means that you'll have some slants that you like and others that don't please you, BUT you will eventually arrive at least in the neighbourhood of that which you seek.

I love my Konsul. I love it so much that I have to enforce a rotation of shaving one blade out in the Konsul (6 shaves) and then shaving a blade out in something else before going back to the Konsul. That said, I have managed to find some very, very nice slants both vintage and modern. Really the differences between them come down to connoisseur points but suffice to say that I could have stellar shaves for the rest of my life without the Konsul.

I'm one of those who always starts in the midrange somewhere. Then I'll go up or down as it seems needful, or as my technique evolves to "tame" a razor that had earlier shown a few teeth.

To me -- let me repeat that -- to me the RazoRock German 37, Parker SemiSlant or Merkur 37C or 39C (short and long handle) are all good midrange slants. None of them really make my cranky old heart go pitty-pat but they're good slants, I've used all of them and still have a couple in rotation.

The PAA Monster series tend to be rather mild right out of the box for me, but I know a trick worth two of that and shim the blade. Perfection. Also, the Monster series is the cheapest version of the classic highly-helical slant you'll see, and a very good version it is, too. Besides, if you have El Fantasma it glows in the dark so you can have endless joy using it as a Christmas decoration.

The Fatip Open Comb Slant (FOCS) is a bit of a dark horse coming up the outside. Fatip delayed getting into the slant market until just a few years ago and they've done an excellent job. Quality of fit may be hit or miss but don't let that stop you.

Let's try this: You got about a hundred and fifty bucks to play with? That should easily cover a FOCS, a Monster and a RazoRock G37. Again, I own all of those so I can say they shave similarly but there are nuances which may be of more importance in your context.

I'll say there are some really awful slants out there, copies of copies of designs that weren't all that and a sack of chips to start with. Most of them have the advantage of being pretty inexpensive, so if you're inclined you can have all sorts of fun trying to find the best bang for the buck on the low end.

There is now, or will be in a week, a new level in the slant game. RazoRock is releasing their new Superslant line next Friday. I am cautiously hopeful. So far they are releasing only SB slants but say they'll make OC plates in future. There are three levels of aggression, L1 to L3, and within each level there will be "micro-steps" to "split the gears" between levels. So for instance at the moment they only have five plates to put up: L1, L1++, L2, L2++ and L3. They will add more plates as time goes on.

I've asked for a comparison to some of their other razors and Michael told me that the L3 will likely come close to the Wunderbar with slightly less tendency to bite. This is due to close analysis of edge mechanics in a helical slant, and design work to address a flaw in edge presentation that they found. Frankly, I'll probably jump in at L2 and see where it goes. I suspect I'll want to amp it up but may wait for OC plates.

I'll be interested to hear how it goes for you!

O.H.
 

Ron R

I survived a lathey foreman
One slant to rule them all? Your forum handle should be "Sauron Shaves." :001_rolle

Well, you woke me up so here goes:

The Rex Konsul being an adjustable slant could theoretically stand in for just about any other one except for maybe the Yaqi one. So there you go; $350 and it's yours.

I don't really have any horse in the race, but just by accident most of us who tilt started out with non-adjustable slants such as the Merkur 37, RazoRock German 37, Parker Semi-Slant, Phoenix Bakelite Open Comb Slant (PBOCS), PAA "Monster" series slants, or a whole range of vintage from a diversity of makers. I'll be straight up and say that we started with nonadjustables because that was all we had (unless we had a Walbusch B5 lying around...)

I have a feeling -- because I would feel this if it were me -- that if you go straight to the Konsul you will always wonder whether you've got The One or maybe just One Slant That Only Rules Some Of Them. On the other hand, going the usual route means that you'll have some slants that you like and others that don't please you, BUT you will eventually arrive at least in the neighbourhood of that which you seek.

I love my Konsul. I love it so much that I have to enforce a rotation of shaving one blade out in the Konsul (6 shaves) and then shaving a blade out in something else before going back to the Konsul. That said, I have managed to find some very, very nice slants both vintage and modern. Really the differences between them come down to connoisseur points but suffice to say that I could have stellar shaves for the rest of my life without the Konsul.

I'm one of those who always starts in the midrange somewhere. Then I'll go up or down as it seems needful, or as my technique evolves to "tame" a razor that had earlier shown a few teeth.

To me -- let me repeat that -- to me the RazoRock German 37, Parker SemiSlant or Merkur 37C or 39C (short and long handle) are all good midrange slants. None of them really make my cranky old heart go pitty-pat but they're good slants, I've used all of them and still have a couple in rotation.

The PAA Monster series tend to be rather mild right out of the box for me, but I know a trick worth two of that and shim the blade. Perfection. Also, the Monster series is the cheapest version of the classic highly-helical slant you'll see, and a very good version it is, too. Besides, if you have El Fantasma it glows in the dark so you can have endless joy using it as a Christmas decoration.

The Fatip Open Comb Slant (FOCS) is a bit of a dark horse coming up the outside. Fatip delayed getting into the slant market until just a few years ago and they've done an excellent job. Quality of fit may be hit or miss but don't let that stop you.

Let's try this: You got about a hundred and fifty bucks to play with? That should easily cover a FOCS, a Monster and a RazoRock G37. Again, I own all of those so I can say they shave similarly but there are nuances which may be of more importance in your context.

I'll say there are some really awful slants out there, copies of copies of designs that weren't all that and a sack of chips to start with. Most of them have the advantage of being pretty inexpensive, so if you're inclined you can have all sorts of fun trying to find the best bang for the buck on the low end.

There is now, or will be in a week, a new level in the slant game. RazoRock is releasing their new Superslant line next Friday. I am cautiously hopeful. So far they are releasing only SB slants but say they'll make OC plates in future. There are three levels of aggression, L1 to L3, and within each level there will be "micro-steps" to "split the gears" between levels. So for instance at the moment they only have five plates to put up: L1, L1++, L2, L2++ and L3. They will add more plates as time goes on.

I've asked for a comparison to some of their other razors and Michael told me that the L3 will likely come close to the Wunderbar with slightly less tendency to bite. This is due to close analysis of edge mechanics in a helical slant, and design work to address a flaw in edge presentation that they found. Frankly, I'll probably jump in at L2 and see where it goes. I suspect I'll want to amp it up but may wait for OC plates.

I'll be interested to hear how it goes for you!

O.H.
Now that is interesting quick accurate review of a large range of slants. I have 3 slant razors and they all have different degrees of aggression and efficentcys. Yaki slant offers lots of blade exposure (aggressive), Razorock Wunderbar slant has some blade exposure, mid >upper mid range but still demands a light touch (stellar results)and the RR German 37 slant nice mid range and I enjoy all three razors. The Yaqi slant takes really good technique, I like to ride the bar with a short handle & the shaves can be stellar.
 
I love slants and have owned most vintage and modern options.

I suggest the Konsul. Very smooth & very efficient on the lower settings. You can set it up to Close By Freddy Kruger if your heat desires.

I still have my Wunderbar. Great razor. Fairly toothy, not at all terrible, but, it's a single-note singer. The Super Slant has the same $130 entry fee, with multiple baseplate options coming, releasing gradually into next year. If you like 3 piece, and don't mind waiting to try various options, it will be a good product. If you want the full set, it will be (if I read correctly) L1, L2, and L3, with 3 plates at each level. I'm guessing ~$40/plate, with inflation & the not inconsiderable work involved, so you're in about $360- same as the Konsul.

If you like your Ambassador, I suspect you'll love the Konsul. A bit smoother, a tad less blade feel, just as efficient (moreso XTG under my chin, for me).

Edit- the PAA slants are good & reasonably priced, but don't have the same "pride of ownership".

The Yaqui I found to be much like Truck-ticles, cheap, flashy, no better than a better made product.

ATT's AC slants- good, just not a firestarter for me.

I was looking forward to HLS's slant, but that will be a looooong time coming, if ever.

Tatara is talking about "new things" in the near future, but nothing specific.
 
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Phoenixkh

I shaved a fortune
I really need to get busy and shave with all my new razors. I have two slants I have yet to use: the Merkur 37C HD and the PAA Filament.

The slant I have used is the ATT X1 AC Slant. I have to say.. for me and my face, I like it a lot. It's tied with three other razors I own: the Rocnel Elite, the Lambda Athena and the Blutt BR-1 1.20. I can use any 4 of these razors and get a smooth, relaxing, comfortable shave.
 

Chan Eil Whiskers

Fumbling about.
I'd like to buy 1 slant to rule them all!
What do you all suggest and why?

I currently rotate the Lupo 95 (SB and OC) and the Rex Ambassador.
I also have a Rockwell 6S that I like when I want less blade feel.

I appreciate your input :D


Not a DE, but the ⇣ ATT X1 ⇣ slant is a great great razor.


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Numerous guys including me will be reviewing the ⇡ RazoRock Superslant ⇡ soon.

Assuming the L3 is much like the Wunderbar but less prone to biting me I will like it a lot.

That said, the X1 is certainly one of the best if not the best razor I've ever used.

The Konsul is very good, too, as is the ATT SE1. If you run across an original General in SS jump on it. I'm looking out for a General v2 myself.

Happy shaves,

Jim
 
I would suggest Konsul if you like mild but efficient shave. Wunderbar if you like smooth & efficient. The konsul is more mindless, while the Wunderbar you have to pay attention. Wunderbar puts you in a false sense of security dud to being so smooth. I love both for different reasons
 
These come up fairly often at auction. The one depicted is one of several travel set designs but full size cased ones are available too. Hoffritz slants are very comfortable and efficient and were made in the 1930's. They are worth a try and aren't too expensive. Several are available now for less than $50.
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Star_Wahl_Clipper_Treker

Likes a fat handle in his hand
My vote goes to Merkur 37C!
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One slant to rule them all? Your forum handle should be "Sauron Shaves." :001_rolle

Well, you woke me up so here goes:

The Rex Konsul being an adjustable slant could theoretically stand in for just about any other one except for maybe the Yaqi one. So there you go; $350 and it's yours.

I don't really have any horse in the race, but just by accident most of us who tilt started out with non-adjustable slants such as the Merkur 37, RazoRock German 37, Parker Semi-Slant, Phoenix Bakelite Open Comb Slant (PBOCS), PAA "Monster" series slants, or a whole range of vintage from a diversity of makers. I'll be straight up and say that we started with nonadjustables because that was all we had (unless we had a Walbusch B5 lying around...)

I have a feeling -- because I would feel this if it were me -- that if you go straight to the Konsul you will always wonder whether you've got The One or maybe just One Slant That Only Rules Some Of Them. On the other hand, going the usual route means that you'll have some slants that you like and others that don't please you, BUT you will eventually arrive at least in the neighbourhood of that which you seek.

I love my Konsul. I love it so much that I have to enforce a rotation of shaving one blade out in the Konsul (6 shaves) and then shaving a blade out in something else before going back to the Konsul. That said, I have managed to find some very, very nice slants both vintage and modern. Really the differences between them come down to connoisseur points but suffice to say that I could have stellar shaves for the rest of my life without the Konsul.

I'm one of those who always starts in the midrange somewhere. Then I'll go up or down as it seems needful, or as my technique evolves to "tame" a razor that had earlier shown a few teeth.

To me -- let me repeat that -- to me the RazoRock German 37, Parker SemiSlant or Merkur 37C or 39C (short and long handle) are all good midrange slants. None of them really make my cranky old heart go pitty-pat but they're good slants, I've used all of them and still have a couple in rotation.

The PAA Monster series tend to be rather mild right out of the box for me, but I know a trick worth two of that and shim the blade. Perfection. Also, the Monster series is the cheapest version of the classic highly-helical slant you'll see, and a very good version it is, too. Besides, if you have El Fantasma it glows in the dark so you can have endless joy using it as a Christmas decoration.

The Fatip Open Comb Slant (FOCS) is a bit of a dark horse coming up the outside. Fatip delayed getting into the slant market until just a few years ago and they've done an excellent job. Quality of fit may be hit or miss but don't let that stop you.

Let's try this: You got about a hundred and fifty bucks to play with? That should easily cover a FOCS, a Monster and a RazoRock G37. Again, I own all of those so I can say they shave similarly but there are nuances which may be of more importance in your context.

I'll say there are some really awful slants out there, copies of copies of designs that weren't all that and a sack of chips to start with. Most of them have the advantage of being pretty inexpensive, so if you're inclined you can have all sorts of fun trying to find the best bang for the buck on the low end.

There is now, or will be in a week, a new level in the slant game. RazoRock is releasing their new Superslant line next Friday. I am cautiously hopeful. So far they are releasing only SB slants but say they'll make OC plates in future. There are three levels of aggression, L1 to L3, and within each level there will be "micro-steps" to "split the gears" between levels. So for instance at the moment they only have five plates to put up: L1, L1++, L2, L2++ and L3. They will add more plates as time goes on.

I've asked for a comparison to some of their other razors and Michael told me that the L3 will likely come close to the Wunderbar with slightly less tendency to bite. This is due to close analysis of edge mechanics in a helical slant, and design work to address a flaw in edge presentation that they found. Frankly, I'll probably jump in at L2 and see where it goes. I suspect I'll want to amp it up but may wait for OC plates.

I'll be interested to hear how it goes for you!

O.H.
Fatip slant open comb with a perma sharp blade. You just don’t need anything else :)
 

Phoenixkh

I shaved a fortune
I noticed, you can now buy a Wunderbar from Italian Barber.... if you list their razors by price, high to low, it shows in stock, right after the new SuperSlant razors.
 

Phoenixkh

I shaved a fortune
I noticed, you can now buy a Wunderbar from Italian Barber.... if you list their razors by price, high to low, it shows in stock, right after the new SuperSlant razors.
A Correction: Even though the link on the razor page, at Italian Barber now says: "View Product" when it showed "Sold Out" until noon today, the Wunderbar has not been restocked. When you actually click on "View Product" that still shows "Sold Out".

I'm sorry for any confusion my assumptions caused.
 

Ron R

I survived a lathey foreman
I went to their site and there is a some information on the Super slant and why this one is slightly better than others they have
created over the years. They seem to be bent on perfecting their Wunderbar even more.
This is what Razorock mentions in their information.
The RazoRock Super slant is a razor that has been two years in the making. Ever since our first slant, the RazoRock Stealth, we knew the slant concept was something special. Client feedback overwhelming told us that people loved the shave from our slant razors and it quickly became no secret that a helical slant’s added torque on the long axis of a double-edge blade adds stiffness and rigidity to the cutting edge. Why is this important? When you take a very thin very sharp blade and make it really stiff it cuts with greater efficiency, this translates to less tugging on the hairs and less irritation while shaving. Add this to the fact the blade is held at an angle to the shaving plane giving a slicing action to the shave versus a tradition shaving razor that applies more of a chopping action. The combination of these two attributes lead to a superior shave!

So, if the helical slant concept works then what is the purpose of a “new helical slant,” namely the RazoRock Super slant? Based on a lot of feedback we received from our first two CNC milled slants, the RazoRock Stealth and the RazoRock Wunderbar, we discovered two areas that needed improving. Many of our clients told us the RazoRock Stealth wasn’t aggressive enough and the RazoRock Wunderbar was too aggressive. This told us we needed a helical slant razor with adjustability. A robust design that could offer many difference blade gaps and exposures to suit different beard and skin types.

The RazoRock Superslant will have three core levels of aggression, from L1(MILD) to L3(AGGRESSIVE), but within these core levels there will be 2-4 unique base plates to dial in the shave even further. Each and every base plate will be perfectly compatible with one universal top cap meaning you can change the way the Superslant shaves simply by swapping base plates. There will also be open comb options added in the future at each core level of aggression which many clients have asked for. Note: We are releasing 5 base plate options to start and more will be added in 2023 including more aggressive bases like L3+ and L3++

Please keep in mind that within each level, the addition of a PLUS sign increases the aggression. (Example: Level 1 which would be the mildest group available - L1, L1+, L1++,...L1 would be the mildest and L1++ would be the most aggressive in this grouping)


The second problem we discovered is that when you torque a double-edge blade into a helix shape you create a minor amount of blade-edge wave that is hard to see with the naked eye. This minor blade-edge wave can cause the razor to “bite” if you apply too much pressure to the skin while shaving. In order to solve this issue, we had to design a very unique razor head that can torque a double-edge blade into a helical shape without any effect on the cutting edge. This required a shape with precision clamping and tolerances that could only be achieved using a very complex and expensive German CNC machine under the watchful eye of a Master Machinist. What we created was the world’s first billet 316L stainless steel helical slant that is 5-axis simultaneous-milled. That’s a mouthful but if you buy a RazoRock Super slant you will be shaving with a safety that we believe is the most sophisticated razor to ever enter the traditional wet shaving world; ultimately, you will be the judge of that.

One thing I can say owning the Wunderbar they are striving for perfection!
 
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Tatara is talking about "new things" in the near future, but nothing speci
One slant to rule them all? Your forum handle should be "Sauron Shaves." :001_rolle

Well, you woke me up so here goes:

The Rex Konsul being an adjustable slant could theoretically stand in for just about any other one except for maybe the Yaqi one. So there you go; $350 and it's yours.

I don't really have any horse in the race, but just by accident most of us who tilt started out with non-adjustable slants such as the Merkur 37, RazoRock German 37, Parker Semi-Slant, Phoenix Bakelite Open Comb Slant (PBOCS), PAA "Monster" series slants, or a whole range of vintage from a diversity of makers. I'll be straight up and say that we started with nonadjustables because that was all we had (unless we had a Walbusch B5 lying around...)

I have a feeling -- because I would feel this if it were me -- that if you go straight to the Konsul you will always wonder whether you've got The One or maybe just One Slant That Only Rules Some Of Them. On the other hand, going the usual route means that you'll have some slants that you like and others that don't please you, BUT you will eventually arrive at least in the neighbourhood of that which you seek.

I love my Konsul. I love it so much that I have to enforce a rotation of shaving one blade out in the Konsul (6 shaves) and then shaving a blade out in something else before going back to the Konsul. That said, I have managed to find some very, very nice slants both vintage and modern. Really the differences between them come down to connoisseur points but suffice to say that I could have stellar shaves for the rest of my life without the Konsul.

I'm one of those who always starts in the midrange somewhere. Then I'll go up or down as it seems needful, or as my technique evolves to "tame" a razor that had earlier shown a few teeth.

To me -- let me repeat that -- to me the RazoRock German 37, Parker SemiSlant or Merkur 37C or 39C (short and long handle) are all good midrange slants. None of them really make my cranky old heart go pitty-pat but they're good slants, I've used all of them and still have a couple in rotation.

The PAA Monster series tend to be rather mild right out of the box for me, but I know a trick worth two of that and shim the blade. Perfection. Also, the Monster series is the cheapest version of the classic highly-helical slant you'll see, and a very good version it is, too. Besides, if you have El Fantasma it glows in the dark so you can have endless joy using it as a Christmas decoration.

The Fatip Open Comb Slant (FOCS) is a bit of a dark horse coming up the outside. Fatip delayed getting into the slant market until just a few years ago and they've done an excellent job. Quality of fit may be hit or miss but don't let that stop you.

Let's try this: You got about a hundred and fifty bucks to play with? That should easily cover a FOCS, a Monster and a RazoRock G37. Again, I own all of those so I can say they shave similarly but there are nuances which may be of more importance in your context.

I'll say there are some really awful slants out there, copies of copies of designs that weren't all that and a sack of chips to start with. Most of them have the advantage of being pretty inexpensive, so if you're inclined you can have all sorts of fun trying to find the best bang for the buck on the low end.

There is now, or will be in a week, a new level in the slant game. RazoRock is releasing their new Superslant line next Friday. I am cautiously hopeful. So far they are releasing only SB slants but say they'll make OC plates in future. There are three levels of aggression, L1 to L3, and within each level there will be "micro-steps" to "split the gears" between levels. So for instance at the moment they only have five plates to put up: L1, L1++, L2, L2++ and L3. They will add more plates as time goes on.

I've asked for a comparison to some of their other razors and Michael told me that the L3 will likely come close to the Wunderbar with slightly less tendency to bite. This is due to close analysis of edge mechanics in a helical slant, and design work to address a flaw in edge presentation that they found. Frankly, I'll probably jump in at L2 and see where it goes. I suspect I'll want to amp it up but may wait for OC plates.

I'll be interested to hear how it goes for you!

O.H.
This was wildly helpful. While I am currently trying to hunt down a Wolfman Ti, the Rex Konsul has had my eye for some time.
 
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