I bought an 823 in broad some time back. I was thinking it would be more akin to a western medium....it turned out to be on par with a western broad. I had Pendleton Brown turn mine into a stub and i really enjoy it...i think he called it a buttersmooth stub or something like that.TY, I ordered it with a broad nib and intend to have it turned into a stub by a nibmeister, though I will try it out very well as-is.