Tactical Meets Traditional - Mossberg Lever Rifle
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Not for me. Blued steel and walnut on my lever guns, bolts, and single shots for that matter, as well as all my classic double barrel shotguns.
I have two Ruger 10-22 rifles, both stainless, one with a folding stock, the other with custom sporter barrel and a nice walnut stock with Neider steel buttplate, shadow outline cheekpiece, really a classy looking rifle.
I do have a couple of Colt AR's and some custom built models for black rifles.
I have two Ruger 10-22 rifles, both stainless, one with a folding stock, the other with custom sporter barrel and a nice walnut stock with Neider steel buttplate, shadow outline cheekpiece, really a classy looking rifle.
I do have a couple of Colt AR's and some custom built models for black rifles.
Um...uh...nope, no words to describe it. 
Give me classic walnut and blued steel any day of the week. That thing is HORRENDOUS.
But then again, I don't even like AR's. M1 Garand is my kinda "tactical" firearm
My one synthetic stocked gun is in limbo right now, a mini-14 stainless I might sell to put the money into my re-kindled (read single again) skeet hobby
But then again, I don't even like AR's. M1 Garand is my kinda "tactical" firearm
My one synthetic stocked gun is in limbo right now, a mini-14 stainless I might sell to put the money into my re-kindled (read single again) skeet hobby
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I certainly have to agree with those who say; not for me. I can say though that I am more than pleased with Mossberg's initiative in R&D. The 464 lever rifle is one of the neatest things to come down the lever action road in a long time. Aside from Marlin's genius work with Hornady in the Leverevolution ammunition episode traditional lever arms were generally about 100 years past their last major milestones. Mossberg made the gun look like a 1894 Winchester but it is so much more. It has a round bolt like a Marlin(much stouter than a 94 bolt), tang safety, and a few other things that make it unique. They just need to leave the collapsible black stock off the option list. I think if they ever get sensible and chamber it in .338 Marlin and a couple of others they can make some inroads in the market.
And just when you mention something is when you put your foot in your mouth. If you go to Winchester's new site you will indeed see the 1892 lever action is back. Now after the debacle Winchester went through a few years ago, ending the continuous production of model 70's and 1894s, I suspect these are the Japanese copies of most rifles that were being sold under the Browning name. Sad to say but from what I could see the Japanese/Brownings were better made than the last stuff that came from the U.S. Winchester plant. Good to see it back but unless I am mistaken these are foreign made. I still want one of those 1892's(really a mini 1886 and I sitll don't know why USRAC did not bring it back themselves).
Cheers, Todd
And just when you mention something is when you put your foot in your mouth. If you go to Winchester's new site you will indeed see the 1892 lever action is back. Now after the debacle Winchester went through a few years ago, ending the continuous production of model 70's and 1894s, I suspect these are the Japanese copies of most rifles that were being sold under the Browning name. Sad to say but from what I could see the Japanese/Brownings were better made than the last stuff that came from the U.S. Winchester plant. Good to see it back but unless I am mistaken these are foreign made. I still want one of those 1892's(really a mini 1886 and I sitll don't know why USRAC did not bring it back themselves).
Cheers, Todd
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You're right. I still can't understand the whole concept of the Zombie Apocalypse crowd. "Zombie" edition guns, really?
How are you supposed to hang onto that cheese grater of a forearm?
I think lever action guns make for very practical SHTF-type survival rifles. Especially those in .357 mag where you can carry 1 ammo for both your handgun and your rifle. But man alive that is one ugly beast. And I fail to see any real utility to any of it. A top rail would make mounting optics useful. But that doesn't have one. A traditional lever action with a low power scope or even a red dot would be far more useful in an actual survival situation and it wouldn't be embarrassing to take to the range.
i dont see the point of necking up the 6.5 grendel its a great all rounder and the ballistics are great. no offence intended
i didnt think that it would be possible for the SKS to get any more ugly but that takes the cake.
is the stock coated in fabric? i can imagine what would happen if it got wet
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None taken. And there is no honest reason for half the cartridges that have been developed over the years. People just like the variety. When you get right down to it none of these larger bore rounds for the AR are anything new ballistics wise. Only a few of them actually match the 117 year old 30WCF(.30-30). Let alone surpass it. They brag about it but it is always with light for calibre projectiles. The. 30 WCF will easily make 2250-2350fps in anemic factory loads behind 150gr slugs. Judicious hand loading easily takes the 150s to levels none of the AR rounds can handle. Stepping up to Hornady's Leverevolution loads makes a used $200 lever action an honest 300 yard deer and antelope cartridge. 7.62 Russian, Grendel, .300BLK are really 200 yard Max cartridges for the same game. And you will have 1500-2000 dollars into the rifle.
My interest in a wildcat 8x39mm wildcat was just out loud thinking about how neat a modern 7.92mm Kurz would be. The 6.5 Grendel being essentially a 7.62. Russian case blown out straight and necked down solves the magazine feeding issues the ARs have with the tapered Russian round. Do you shoot the Grendel? That's one AR I would like to try.
Cheers, Todd
True, but .300 BLK in an SBR with a suppressor is a great HD weapon in my mind. Of course, I am doing this with a Robinson Arms XCR, not an AR.
I can shoot my SBR much more accurately than a pistol, and the .300BLK will stop an intruder and not do as much hearing damage as many other rounds (I did say suppressed). I also hand load, so it keeps costs manageable. All said, it is a great 25 yard round. I wouldn't want to be shooting a .30-30 in my living room. I am on the list to get my .300BLK kit as soon as they are available for my XCRs from my favorite XCR dealer.
Alternately, I could be doing this with the Honey Badger:
and have yet another badger in the house, but I really like the ergos and reliability of my XCRs. Especially with ACR stocks on them.
I can shoot my SBR much more accurately than a pistol, and the .300BLK will stop an intruder and not do as much hearing damage as many other rounds (I did say suppressed). I also hand load, so it keeps costs manageable. All said, it is a great 25 yard round. I wouldn't want to be shooting a .30-30 in my living room. I am on the list to get my .300BLK kit as soon as they are available for my XCRs from my favorite XCR dealer.
Alternately, I could be doing this with the Honey Badger:
and have yet another badger in the house, but I really like the ergos and reliability of my XCRs. Especially with ACR stocks on them.
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Yes sir. That is where the .300 Blackout lives best I'm thinking. Tactical defence. For me, a AR rifle would be geared towards hunting of deer and possibly hogs. I am still not sure in the home my old 20 gauge pump with 3" magnums loaded with copper plated #3 buckshot wouldn't be a harder hitter but I can tell you this; I don't want to be shot with any of them! What was it Wyatt Earp called a short barreled shotgun? Street Howitzer I think. He was likely right too. Those are some nice rigs you posted there.
Cheers, Todd
Cheers, Todd
I love both 'Evil Black Rifles' and lever-guns. I don't like the looks of this combination of the two.
Try this on for size
The Stoeger Double Defense!
Now you can hang all your tacticool crap off of an 18" double barrel shotgun! Woo Hoo! What's next, a Single Action Army with a reflex sight and some sort of under barrel Picatinny rail? Or will it have some sort of gas tap to auto **** the hammer?
I like new stuff and I like old stuff, each unique and appreciable for what they are. Don't give me some abortion resulting from the forced copulation of 21st and late 19th century firearms technologies.
The Stoeger Double Defense!
Now you can hang all your tacticool crap off of an 18" double barrel shotgun! Woo Hoo! What's next, a Single Action Army with a reflex sight and some sort of under barrel Picatinny rail? Or will it have some sort of gas tap to auto **** the hammer?
I like new stuff and I like old stuff, each unique and appreciable for what they are. Don't give me some abortion resulting from the forced copulation of 21st and late 19th century firearms technologies.
Actually if you yank that silly Red Dot or whatever it is off that double barrel, it would probably make a pretty effective home defense weapon. People have been taping flashlights to the barrels of old shotguns for home defense for years. I'd prefer a hammer configuration though, so there would be no worry about cocking springs going bad during long term storage. It's ugly but I'd take the double barrel over that godawful 30-30 any day.
Ok now I can. It's ugly. Horrendous. Terrible idea.
And I want one. I bet the .22LR would be an absolute blast as a plinker. I do love to shoot a lever action though.
It's ready for Cowboys vs. Aliens II.
