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Reducing my Glock 19 grip, eliminating the "hump".
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1. They have been conceal carrying 1911s for decades. Never watched Miami Vice much? Don Johnson wasnt considered the smartest in the bunch, but he managed.
2. eaa girsan 2311 in 9mm. its HI CAP.. and reliable.
357 with a 6" tube.. woodchucks baby,,, never seen a woodchuck since i bought it.
629, well need something respectable for conceal carry.
1911, its a 45acp and its colt.. And its awful tempting to get a 45 super upper on it. THATS in interesting thought.
2. eaa girsan 2311 in 9mm. its HI CAP.. and reliable.
357 with a 6" tube.. woodchucks baby,,, never seen a woodchuck since i bought it.
629, well need something respectable for conceal carry.
1911, its a 45acp and its colt.. And its awful tempting to get a 45 super upper on it. THATS in interesting thought.
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I have carried a 1911 as a CCW, great for personal protection, but insufficient ammo capacity for defending others from determined adversaries who are willing to die as they try to kill as many innocents as possible. Same for revolvers, I have many to include .357s and an M29 .44 mag. Great field guns! And my first duty weapon was a S&W .357.
While there are many viable alternatives to my choice of the Glock 19, reliable or not, the Girsan is a range toy. YMMV greatly!
Again, the purpose of this thread was to document what I have done to optimize WHAT I ALREADY HAVE, not to debate what weapon is best for the job.
@BandeauRouge The fact that you look to a TV program as an example of what/how to carry is totally revealing!
While there are many viable alternatives to my choice of the Glock 19, reliable or not, the Girsan is a range toy. YMMV greatly!
Again, the purpose of this thread was to document what I have done to optimize WHAT I ALREADY HAVE, not to debate what weapon is best for the job.
@BandeauRouge The fact that you look to a TV program as an example of what/how to carry is totally revealing!
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About the Galco Miami Classic Shoulder Holster Rig aka the Original Jackass Rig
The story of how Don Johnson's "Sonny Crockett" came to wear the Galco Miami Classic Shoulder Holster System on the TV show "Miami Vice."
Quick tidbits.. originally designed for an actual, real life Chicago Police Officer. Seems its not a movie thingy after all.
Its the most copied shoulder holster rig of all time as well.
THE holster for the Model 29. It predates the Movie by many decades. And it was designed by, and for an actual gun using cop.
ANd as for shooting accuracy, There is this little sport called bullseye, It has targets at several ranges, and it uses 1911's with IRON sights.. and they are expected to shoot at 50 yards. The following link may cause alot of folks to be very unhappy about what they can do with a handgun.
Purely Ballistics - What does it take for a .45 to be accurate @50yds
If the only constraints are accuracy at 50 yards and a .45 calibre, what determines the minimum ballistics for "acceptable" performance? Would it be possible to
www.bullseyeforum.net
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@BandeauRouge , thanks for sharing. But this is not my first rodeo. I've shot Bullseye, AKA "Precision Pistol". You can't compare "sport" shooting to that done in a lethal encounter where someone may be trying to kill you or other innocent persons. Also, a 1911 optimized for "precision" shooting is poorly suited for defensive shooting, the tolerances that make it precise also make it finicky as to ammo choice and increases it's likelihood to malfunction, not what you want in a gun fight.
I'm well aware of the etiology of various famous shoulder holsters. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. The problem with ALL shoulder holsters is that you invariably "sweep" everything/everyone around you (at least on one side) as you present the pistol, unless you do a very awkward maneuver to keep the muzzle straight down until the gun is in front of you, which you will not do under stress. This is one reason that they are banned from most types of competition because you break the "180" (degrees) safety rule. It is also a lot of wasted motion and slower to draw from than from a waist positioned holster. What looks cool on Miami Vice or Dirty Harry is not considered modern combat technique. You want to move the gun straight out of the holster and straight to your intended target as quickly as possible with as little wasted motion as possible. Fractions of a second count in a real world lethal threat. As Bill Jordan famously said (and is the title of his book) there are "No Second Place Winners".
Modern pistol combative technique is always changing. What was popular decades ago has fallen to newer, more effective techniques. It pays (and costs!) to get training from cutting edge instructors. While you can learn a lot off the interwebs, there is no comparison to actual training from knowledgeable instructors. I'm not a master class shooter, but I've done a fair amount of training over the years. I've been exposed to a lot of "new" techniques by well known instructors, learned from all of them and what was once cutting edge has been eclipsed by the up and coming pros.
I'm well aware of the etiology of various famous shoulder holsters. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. The problem with ALL shoulder holsters is that you invariably "sweep" everything/everyone around you (at least on one side) as you present the pistol, unless you do a very awkward maneuver to keep the muzzle straight down until the gun is in front of you, which you will not do under stress. This is one reason that they are banned from most types of competition because you break the "180" (degrees) safety rule. It is also a lot of wasted motion and slower to draw from than from a waist positioned holster. What looks cool on Miami Vice or Dirty Harry is not considered modern combat technique. You want to move the gun straight out of the holster and straight to your intended target as quickly as possible with as little wasted motion as possible. Fractions of a second count in a real world lethal threat. As Bill Jordan famously said (and is the title of his book) there are "No Second Place Winners".
Modern pistol combative technique is always changing. What was popular decades ago has fallen to newer, more effective techniques. It pays (and costs!) to get training from cutting edge instructors. While you can learn a lot off the interwebs, there is no comparison to actual training from knowledgeable instructors. I'm not a master class shooter, but I've done a fair amount of training over the years. I've been exposed to a lot of "new" techniques by well known instructors, learned from all of them and what was once cutting edge has been eclipsed by the up and coming pros.
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Looks nice. I personally do not like fiber optic front sights, well fiberoptic anything. They are very nice outside....and they ALLWAYS brake....they all work their way out.... I think I rather have a white dot that I pain w neon orange or green finger nail paint..... So many sellers put those now, the new trend....and it's only because they are cheaper.... There are some that are fiber optic and also tritium.....and those fail 2.
Sig recently put those in the Fuse, most people say they are sharp, they brake....and most just need to further waste money to change them. And the cardinal sin , sig actually has really decent xray sights they have used for years.....and now, just want to milk many out of clients.....just like Glock has done for ever....
Sig recently put those in the Fuse, most people say they are sharp, they brake....and most just need to further waste money to change them. And the cardinal sin , sig actually has really decent xray sights they have used for years.....and now, just want to milk many out of clients.....just like Glock has done for ever....
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@Filudo , I previously had a painted front sight. Pretty easy to replace a broken fiber optic rod, paint needs to be re-applied periodically. Even with the FO rod missing, the front sight remains usable. The weapon light helps illuminate the front sight in low light conditions. It's an imperfect world. Tritium sights die. I'll adapt.
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Be careful you don't know who you're talking to. Gecko 45. Of course, the ex-SRT Gecko 45, ergo, the 1911 fixation.
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Fantastic thread nortac! I've divested myself of Glocks, because of the high point thing. I have been considering a Glock 19 and sending it out to have the grip done. The DIY route really appeals to me.
I was mortified to see how high my Glock 17 pointed for me. To get on target, I hand to adjust my wrists after gun was presented. The best and most natural pointing guns for me are the BHP, 1911, and Sigs work pretty good too. But the dang Glock 17......if I had to fire it in a panic situation at 7 yards, I'd shoot over the head of the intended target.
If this can fix a Glocks ergonomics for me, I'm going to have a new EDC.
Thank you nortac!
I was mortified to see how high my Glock 17 pointed for me. To get on target, I hand to adjust my wrists after gun was presented. The best and most natural pointing guns for me are the BHP, 1911, and Sigs work pretty good too. But the dang Glock 17......if I had to fire it in a panic situation at 7 yards, I'd shoot over the head of the intended target.
If this can fix a Glocks ergonomics for me, I'm going to have a new EDC.
Thank you nortac!
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Ah, all becomes clear now. BandeauRouge = Geko45. I guess being called a "mall ninja" was meant to be a compliment!Be careful you don't know who you're talking to. Gecko 45. Of course, the ex-SRT Gecko 45, ergo, the 1911 fixation.
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The removal of the hump has greatly improved the pointability , but in full disclosure, upon using it for a while now, it still has a tendency to point slightly high, but it is something that I can live with/train through. A very significant improvement that I'm glad I took the time and effort to do.
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1. Even as a Glock Guy since 1991 I have to candidly admit that the grip angle can be a training issue for some shooters relative to a 1911 or a BHP.
2. I have found that flattening the hump of a Glock and/or putting arched main spring housings on a 1911 can minimize the issues.
3. Presenting the platforms consistently and "leveling" the Glock as it is pressed out is helpful, particularly if you are still using iron sights.
4. The transition from irons (front sight focus/equal height/equal light) and target focus (dot/reticle superimposed on target) with an RDS/PMO is real and takes a bit of time/talent/treasure/temperament/tolerance to get best results.
5. Finally, even on a forum, good faith efforts at spelling and punctuation always better makes a point/imparts knowledge/wisdom etc.
2. I have found that flattening the hump of a Glock and/or putting arched main spring housings on a 1911 can minimize the issues.
3. Presenting the platforms consistently and "leveling" the Glock as it is pressed out is helpful, particularly if you are still using iron sights.
4. The transition from irons (front sight focus/equal height/equal light) and target focus (dot/reticle superimposed on target) with an RDS/PMO is real and takes a bit of time/talent/treasure/temperament/tolerance to get best results.
5. Finally, even on a forum, good faith efforts at spelling and punctuation always better makes a point/imparts knowledge/wisdom etc.
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I shot the above Glock in a match today, managed a distant 4th place. Still evolving in the management of the red dot presentation and shooting from unconventional positions complicates the issue. In today's match we had to crouch down and shoot through a low window and at odd angles. I admit to relying on my BUIS on a couple of close targets at awkward angles rather than chase the dot.
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Dry fire & about 25 draw reps per day for a few weeks.
I broke down & bought the Dryfire Mag (20% off for Christmas, now) last year. It is worth the buy-in. I have a couple of early dry fire Glock adaptations from the mid-90s, and the Dryfire Mag is the best of the lot. If you use a Ghost Rocket connector, it won't work, but any other system that doesn't take up too much overtravle or reset will be fine.
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