Parabens what are your thoughts?!

[i8ntskeered]

it's got safety tubes, but i8ntskeered,
the brakes are good, tires fair.

brilliant!!!

 

[Argonaut]

Parabens were responsible for batboy.

 

[luvmysuper]

What a dilema;

Parabens fight off "cooties" - every trace of "cooties" MUST be removed from things we touch - but... but... but... parabens are the root cause of all evil in the world

Oh no. My head is going to asplode

 

[wens]

Parabens phobia sounds like it's brought to us by the same kooks that told people not to vaccinate their children.

Seems a bit of an extreme position. Parabens may be associated with cancer, and there are plenty of fine products without them. Deciding to avoid them seems like a perfectly reasonable position. Deciding that a weak association and minimal evidence don't concern you and you're going to ignore them also seems like a reasonable position.

Trying to convince someone that they should change their position or argue one of those positions is wrong seems like a waste of time and effort.

 

[Eeyore]

30 years ago, we were warned in the media that yoghurt could cause cancer.

I've stopped worrying long ago ... the exhaust fumes in traffic probably harm me a lot more than the stuff in my shaving cream.

 

[BRITD]

Parabens phobia sounds like it's brought to us by the same kooks that told people not to vaccinate their children.

I find your Views Offensive and ungentlemanly. Just saying!

 

[Redzone]

Sorry slightly off topic but I thought it might lighten things up a little.

 

[luvmysuper]

Seems a bit of an extreme position. Parabens may be associated with cancer, and there are plenty of fine products without them. Deciding to avoid them seems like a perfectly reasonable position. Deciding that a weak association and minimal evidence don't concern you and you're going to ignore them also seems like a reasonable position.

Trying to convince someone that they should change their position or argue one of those positions is wrong seems like a waste of time and effort.

The problem with that is...

Tofu may at some point be associated with cancer. We just don't know yet.
It makes no more sense to avoid parabens "just in case" it is harmful than it does to avoid tofu "just in case" it is harmful.

There's not a shred of credible evidence that parabens are linked to cancer. None.
How many other items should we stop using that are also NOT linked to cancer, "just in case"?

B&B has always prided itself on eliminating fear mongering, be it germaphobia, the "all natural" kick, or that certain compounds are harmful.

If there is credible evidence to present, folks are welcome to. Till then, you can expect that the reaction people will get towards germs and established compunds will be similar to the thoughts expressed quite well in this thread.

 

[BRITD]

Tofu may at some point be associated with cancer. We just don't know yet.
It makes no more sense to avoid parabens "just in case" it is harmful than it does to avoid tofu "just in case" it is harmful.

That is a poor reference unless someone smothers their skin or injects themselves with Tofu since foods are metabolized when eaten. Just in the same way that you do not get cancer from eating cancerous cells. In contrast, when applied to the skin and absorbed into the body, parabens in cosmetics bypass the metabolic process and enter the blood stream and body organs intact. There is just no enough information at this time to assess if that is a bad thing or not.

 

[luvmysuper]

That is a poor reference unless someone smothers their skin or injects themselves with Tofu since foods are metabolized when eaten. Just in the same way that you do not get cancer from eating cancerous cells. In contrast, when applied to the skin and absorbed into the body, parabens in cosmetics bypass the metabolic process and enter the blood stream and body organs intact. There is just no enough information at this time to assess if that is a bad thing or not.

Ok, substitute witch hazel for tofu. Metabolize or not wasn't the point in my example.

The point is that there is not one shred of evidence that parabens are harmful.
To let people come here and profess that they are is tantamount to allowing them to say better not use witch hazel, or better not use glycerin - it 'could be" harmful.
Going back to my tofu example, there just isn't enough information available right now that proves that tofu doesn't cause schizophrenia. Better avoid it "just in case".
These are all attempts to have someone disprove a statement.

That isn't how science works.

We don't tolerate fear mongering here. That's all there is to it.
If you have some white paper with new information, feel free to present it.

If you personally choose not to use parabens, or choose to boil your razors in bleach and vinegar for fear of germs, or profess that anything made by nature is defacto good for you, that's fine. You are free to believe that and we accept it.

What we won't accept is someone coming here and perpetuating an outright falsehood.

 

[oldbluelight]

Ungentlemanly extremist!!

Ah WhiskyT once upon a time a gentleman was expected to receive with courtesy the opinions of others but there was no expectation of acceptance. And if the gentleman's opinion was at odds with the one expressed it was expected that the gentleman would say so and defend his contrary position. That defense was what differentiated a gentleman from a hypocrite. A gentleman's opposition was characterized by thoughtful criticism of the opinion and carefully avoided an attack upon the person preferring the contrary opinion. However it was always permitted to question the motivation of the person he differed with especially if the opinion could clearly be seen as tainted with self interest. In addition a gentleman is entitled to question the quality of the evidence presented to support the contrary opinion. If careful consideration of the opposing view by the gentleman persuaded him to change his mind he would acknowledge that freely and frankly. Any significant deviation from this protocol reduces thoughtful discussion to the level of a drunken argument about the best left fielder in Major League Baseball by two inarticulate patrons of a third rate sports bar. And yes, I did see the smiley

 

[Eeyore]

Maybe it is time to return to a bit more factual kind of discussion?

http://www.euractiv.com/health/scientific-committee-endocrine-d-news-528299

 

[tadas]

30 years ago, we were warned in the media that yoghurt could cause cancer.

I've stopped worrying long ago ... the exhaust fumes in traffic probably harm me a lot more than the stuff in my shaving cream.

I'm reminded of Joe Jackson's minor hit of the early '80's, "Everything Gives You Cancer". To a Brazilian samba beat:

"Everything gives you cancer
Everything gives you cancer
There's no cure, there's no answer
Everything gives you cancer"

Later lyrics cite booze, caffeine, protein, and even the song itself.

 

[ddown]

If Parabens make a soap or cream work better so be it. I'm not to impressed by some of the new formulations out on the marketplace. Let the Markets decide unless there is clear and present danger of my face falling off. If you go to the FDA page you will discover that, in the view of the FDA, there is no evidence that parabens cause any form of cancer.

 

[Eeyore]

I'm reminded of Joe Jackson's minor hit of the early '80's, "Everything Gives You Cancer". To a Brazilian samba beat:

"Everything gives you cancer
Everything gives you cancer
There's no cure, there's no answer
Everything gives you cancer"

Later lyrics cite booze, caffeine, protein, and even the song itself.

I do remember that song ... I was a Joe Jackson fan

It was on the Night and Day album (with the blue and white cover).