JC, I get your point. Clearly from some water chemistry I think, some people have trouble with it, but as a MWF lover, mystic Water is nowhere near as hard to lather for me. I think you categorizing it that way is you saying everyone has some trouble with it, when I have absolutely zero trouble, and others do too. For me, it is as easy as proraso with a better feel. Whereas MWF takes me water soaking time plus 3x as long to build the lather. What my experience does not account for is other peoples water, hardware, etc. it's totally possible some peoples conditions make this impossible to work well.