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MWF Closing?

I’ll miss them. Lots has changed in my five years here. A lot of big brands have folded and I’m not too impressed with what’s replaced them. More than anything I blame big goo for this. I can not understand how an inferior product continues to dominant the market share.

It's not big goo. It's the explosion of artisan soaps with obnoxious fragrances and trendy labels.

A decade+ ago traditional wet shaving was much more niche and the traditional soap market was dominated by a few "household" names, mostly from Europe (largely Italy / UK / Germany / Spain). The US didn't really have much of a domestic shaving soap production. There were a few US options of course (not least Williams) but a lot of dedicated US wet shavers were buying imported soaps from Europe.

Wet shaving has grown massively since then, and a lot of that growth has been driven in the US and from a younger demographic than used to make up the traditional wet shaving market. We've seen an explosion in US artisan soap to supply that market, and because of the dominance of the US on social media due to sheer force of numbers, those are the soaps new shavers everywhere see and want. Now we have US artisan soaps being exported around the world, and local artisans popping up trying to imitate that kind of product (i.e. heavy fragrance / complex labels) which appeal to younger folks.

The result is that although the wet shaving market as a whole is so much bigger, the demand for traditional products is actually experiencing downward pressure, because it's only the older and value conscious folks that still want to buy the traditional soaps. Lots of us on B&B still like them, that's because we are attached to them from the time before these other soaps were available. Give a 22 year old with his new Henson a choice between MWF or something with a picture that looks like his favourite video game, and what do you think he is going to pick?


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(Incidentally, this soap maker has a reputation for IP theft. It wouldn't surprise me if that image really is from a video game).

Of course, it doesn't help that a lot of them have seen reformulations that have negatively affected performance too. I think a few European countries with an established wet shaving culture (seems to be mostly Latinate countries - Italy, Spain, Portugal) have domestic products that will hold on, but even then we have seen stuff like Mogno go pop recently, LaToja cream discontinued, and now MWF gone for good. There's no guarantees!

That's my theory, anyway.
 

Chan Eil Whiskers

Fumbling about.
It's as if manufacturers and retailers dictate to us what we should all use!

Actually you and I dictate what manufacturers and retailers offer for sale.

Manufacturers and retailers make and sell and offer for sale whatever they believe they can sell. They also advertise thus making efforts to convince us to purchase what they offer. When we buy what they advertise and/or offer we vote in favor of their offerings.

When we do not buy what they offer we are voting for alternative products.

The marketplace doesn't care what it offers and advertises. It cares about making money.

McDonald's offers what some might consider to be junk food. If everyone who goes into McDonald's in the next month walked up to the counter and tried to order a vegetable plate and a salad, only to be told those products are not offered, and then left the store without buying anything, what would happen? Within a very short period of time, McDonald's would offer veggie plates and salads.

It wouldn't take everyone giving this message to McDonald's to cause them to supply veggies and salads, but you get my drift.

Manufacturers and retailers are in the business of making money by fulfilling needs. They offer what the marketplace demands.


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Every time I purchase Mike's Honey & Grapefruit Shaving Soap I'm telling Mike to make more of it because he has me as a customer willing to give him honey to make it for me. He doesn't care about the soap or about me, but he cares about my votes for H&G in the form of my dollars.

Happy shaves,

Jim
 
@Chan Eil Whiskers
Yes I vote for products that I buy with my wallet, but it seems the vast majority of people who shave in particular allow the manufacturers and retailers to dicate to them what they should buy and use, and the sad thing is that the majority of folk give into them
 

Steve56

Ask me about shaving naked!
It's not big goo. It's the explosion of artisan soaps with obnoxious fragrances and trendy labels.

I tend to agree about the fragrances and ‘artwork’. I’d rather have MWF latest formula over most of them. The only artisan soaps that I have are MdC, Stirling, and Mike’s.

We seem to be diverging a little from the OP, which is OK, but from the limited information we have, it just appears that the MWF owners are retiring, they weren’t driven out of business by artisans.
 
@Chan Eil Whiskers
Yes I vote for products that I buy with my wallet, but it seems the vast majority of people who shave in particular allow the manufacturers and retailers to dicate to them what they should buy and use, and the sad thing is that the majority of folk give into them
It’s always been that way. 120 years ago the Kampfe Brothers and King C. Gillette dictated to consumers that they should buy and use their new safety razors and ditch their straight razors and they did. It’s no different today.
 
Sorry to hear this. I stopped buying the shave soap when they took out the tallow (the new formula failed an A/B test on my face), but I sure didn't stop buying the bath soap, which still has tallow and is my favorite, and my wife's favorite.

So I just ordered a large pile of the bath soap. I was down to my last 18 bars anyway.
 
I have an oldish tallow puck from 5+ years ago that was all cracked and split. I soaked it in water last night and it looks like brand new today.

My face doesn’t like Lanolin the greatest, but this stuff was always a pleasure to shave with. The scent has yet to be matched by anything else I’ve tried. Low-key clean laundry scent that sticks around all day long. Pure class.

Maybe someone will dupe the scent, tweak the recipe, and release it under some other clever name that doesn’t break any laws.
 
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AnimalCatcher

Thinking of Ricardo Montalban
Sorry to hear this. I stopped buying the shave soap when they took out the tallow (the new formula failed an A/B test on my face), but I sure didn't stop buying the bath soap, which still has tallow and is my favorite, and my wife's favorite.

So I just ordered a large pile of the bath soap. I was down to my last 18 bars anyway.
I use the bath soap as well and was buying it from Amazon, but they no longer have the 12 packs in stock. Could you please tell me who still sells this soap in quantity? Thanks!
 

Ravenonrock

I shaved the pig
Sorry to see it go if that’s the case. My daughter got me the ceramic bowl, which I cherish. Currently using the newer version sans tallow, which I like. Also have an older puck with tallow waiting in the wings, my preference. Rolled the dice on Kent in the wood bowl recently hoping for the inclusion of tallow but came up empty. I will continue to enjoy it while it lasts.
 
I use the bath soap as well and was buying it from Amazon, but they no longer have the 12 packs in stock. Could you please tell me who still sells this soap in quantity? Thanks!
I got mine from Amazon. I too noticed the lack of the 12 packs I bought before, so I bought a bunch of 3 packs, no doubt paying more in the process, but I didn't know any better way.
 
@Lane101 you may be right, it could be a storm in a teacup, although it would be highly irresponsible for someone to say that a business was closing down without solid evidence. Unless, of course, it's a strategy to stimulate demand.
Unlikely it's a strategy to stimulate demand and doubt the local barber is irresponsible. He's likely just reporting on what he can see and hear in the local community that the Bradford U.K. MWF facility is shutting down. Possibility is he may have no visibility to the broader picture if the brand is being moved or picked up by someone else.

Hopefully we will get more primary source data points in the near future to clarify the situation. Surprising that the MWF website just went dark with no closing message/thank you to long time customers as is typically the custom when a a business closes.
 
Interesting data point. Connaught shaving has increase its inventory of MWF refill pucks. Up to 27 now from 11 a couple of days ago. Wonder if these are a last receipt given all the news. They have four of the ceramic bowls.
 
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