Blue Jays shortstop a blatant homophobe

[ricardo9505]

Breaking news that Toronto Blue Jays shortstop Yunel Escobar wrote a homophobic slur onto his eye-black stickers for Saturday's game against the Bosox. He always came off as an arrogant tool, in my opinion. He's having a crap year, too. Just the excuse they need to drop this flake. He didn't play on Sunday due to "back problems." Jays are officially looking into the matter. Certainly not making excuses for this idiot, but unfortunately homophobia isn't such a big deal in Latin American culture.

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"Tu ere maricon" translates to "You are a faggot". Nice.

well....... I'm Latino and have had many friends from the "south of america". Maricon to Nicaraguans is a word like "bro". For my family, Dominicans, it's more than saying "faggot", it's a worse insult. you say it differently and it means something different. That's common with Spanish words as well. In his case, I take that saying to mean "you're my b!tch", in all seriousness. which means he "owns" the opposition. Cocky.
Irregardless, you're playing in the USA and we're on pc overdrive lately so I could see how its uncool. I find it hilarious.

 

[KarlMaldensNose]

I think you nailed it when you said cocky. That's Escobar to a T. That and immature. And perhaps a bit daft. Throw all those things into a pot along with some meaning lost in translation, and also what you mentioned about pc overdrive, and you get the messy stew we're currently being offered up. I'm now doubtful he's the hate monger I conjured up with the title of this thread. I still wish some other team would take him off our hands. Anyway, thanks for different perspectives, guys. Live and learn--hopefully.

 

[oc_in_fw]

POST PRESS CONFERENCE OUTCOME:

Suspended 3 games without pay and part of the money goes to GLAAD and You Can Play organizations.

Well, apparently he has nothing against homosexuals, afterall, his interior decorator and hairstylist are both gay. Oh yeah, and he has gay friends, too. I'm not making this up. He actually said these things to a room full of international press. Like many of you guys, I'm more aghast at his stipidity than anything else. I've decided I'm not here to weigh in on any of the moral and ethical implications surrounding this circus and its clown, just to chuckle and shake my head... and hope he's wearing an Oakland A's uniforn next season.

Ah, the "some of my best friends are African American" defense.

 

[oc_in_fw]

I'd like to say, and spanish is my first language, that this may not be a homophobic slur. If you spoke (Caribbean) Spanish you'd know this is either someone playing a joke on him (so when he looks on the mirror he reads it for himself) or something directed at someone in specific (a friend maybe?) If it was something along the lines of "odio maricones" (I hate fa***ts) then that'd definitely be homophobic slur.

Also, we, Caribbean ppl, throw the word "maricon" around like "damn." So it might be just a lost in translation type thing and along with the way our media and internet works, it doesn't surprise me that they might blowing this out of proportion.

I don't like this guy either (I think he's arrogant too) but I think you should omit the "Cuban" from "Cuban idiot" just so there's no more misunderstandings, lol.

If Jay Z or Kanye throw around the n word, it is a whole different thing entirely if I do it.

 

[SalvadorMontenegro]

Last season Kobe Bryant used a slur during a game and I don't think it got as much backlash as this.

Kobe used it impulsively in a moment of anger or frustration. That doesn't, by any means, make it okay, but it is different from a thought out, premeditated, elaborate demonstration, which this knucklehead is guilty of. He came up with the idea, got the supplies, created the labels, put them on his face and then walked out into the stadium. Apparently, at no point during this time did he think, "Wow, I'm an idiot." There was a huge stretch of time for him to realize that what he was doing was dumb and it seems that it just never occurred to him.

 

[oc_in_fw]

Apparently, at no point during this time did he think, "Wow, I'm an idiot."

People that are never do.

 

[Crixus]

"tu ere suspendo"

 

[JetsMets#1fan]

If Jay Z or Kanye throw around the n word, it is a whole different thing entirely if I do it.

Your point is....

"tu ere suspendo"

lmao...

This thread is about politics not sports. I'm moving it over to the Barbershop.

This is regarding a sports player... you're the boss though.

 

[the beav]

LOL

Actually, I'm surprised that this thread wasn't removed from the start, but maybe I'm confused about the new policy.

 

[cluelessdude]

Can the Hispanics please tell if the phrase was really a slur in Spanish or not? I've heard some Hispanics (baseball players) say it is just a normal thing to say in Spanish. Whereas I have heard others say it is a complete offensive slur.

 

[JetsMets#1fan]

Can the Hispanics please tell if the phrase was really a slur in Spanish or not? I've heard some Hispanics (baseball players) say it is just a normal thing to say in Spanish. Whereas I have heard others say it is a complete offensive slur.

It's definitely not a slur, I'm 99.9% sure (based on the way it was written.)

 

[Doc4]

Aren't you preaching tolerance and practising hate?
It's wrong to dislike someone for their lifestyle but OK to dislike them for having an opinion you don't share?

Look, back in the late 1970s, Guy Lafleur was the greatest hockey player on the planet. But his lifestyle was chain-smoking and hard drinking, and that shortened his career. Notoriously famous football player Michael Vick had a 'lifestyle' that involved torturing dogs for amusement. Hopefully you can see the qualitative difference there ... Guy we can still respect as a player and man, even if we roll our eyes at his 'training regimen' ... Michael we can rightly denounce.

As for opinions ... well, look ... after the Boston Bruins won the Stanley Cup recently, their goaltender Tim Thomas refused to join the traditional trip to the White House because he didn't like the incumbent president. No doubt that made it harder for Bruins fans of the opposite political stripe to cheer for him, but hey, he's just expressing a political opinion. That opinion doesn't make him bigoted. I can like or dislike his political opinion, which he is using his sports exposure to promote, but ... I hope you see the qualitative difference between that and wearing homophobic slurs on one's face or uniform.

Thomas doesn't want to shake Obama's hand ... file it and forget it. But if Thomas had, in the Stanley Cup finals, painted "Vancouver is Fa---t-town" on his mask, then he deserves censure.

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This is regarding a sports player... you're the boss though.

... and it's a discussion that is quite political.

Everyone is reminded of the "zero tolerance" policy here for offensive, inflammatory, rude, &c comments. If you like being able to visit the Barbershop ... keep it civil.

Personally I like the idea that it should be OK, just a personal freedom of expression, to BOTH publicly dislike someone for their lifestyle, and to publicly dislike someone for the opinions. As well as publicly dislike anyone for any reason whatsoever (looks, intelligence, ethnicity, etc.).

Disliking whom you wish is a freedom. As is the freedom to associate (or NOT associate) with whomever you choose.

Okay, read the following sentences ...

1. I hate blacks/asians/hispanics/whites/indians.
2. I hate catholics/jews/muslims/athiests/baptists/mormons/buddists.
3. I hate gays/lesbians/heterosexuals.
4. I hate bigots, racists and homophobes.

Now, with apologies to Sesame Street ... three of these sentences just do not belong here, three of these sentences are kind of the same. Now, can you guess which three sentences do not belong here? Now it's time to play our game. Can you play our game?

So, if you or I say to a buddy "Hey, don't get your panties all in a bunch", does that then designate the speaker as a "blatant misogynist"?

Taken to another degree. If, in today's PC at all costs society, with gay pride parades up and down 5th avenue, shouldn't calling someone gay be now considered some sort of compliment? "Hey, you're gay" should in 21st century modernism equate to "hey, you're great, take pride in who you are"?

reductio ad absurdum ...

And one more thing: Why are people SO surprised at pro atheletes behaviors? These guys are making millions now, but these are the exact same knucklehead jocks you and I knew in high school who were pains in the *** back then (no offense intended to people who suffer from hemmoroids), and often continue to be so after turning pro.

I agree.

The ability to run really fast, throw a ball really far, or skate backwards does not imbue one with any personal characteristics one way or the other. There have been athletes who are exemplary human beings, there have been athletes who are @$$holes, and there have been a lot in the middle who are neither particularly worthy or unworthy ...

... but when a teenager is coddled and idolised for his physical prowess, and then given a multi-million dollar contract in his early 20s ... well, it takes a strong character to resist the ego-inflating affects that has.

 

[The Nid Hog]

Let's keep this on the straight and narrow. Nobody wants a lifetime Barber Shop ban.

 

[HoosierTrooper]

Gosh, I think this is the first time I've had something I posted carved out of a thread. Now I'm tempted to go say something in the 5 year old thread about menstruation that someone drug out of the vault.

 

[Seraphim]

This thread was probably best left offline el permanento.

 

[rajagra]

Okay, read the following sentences ...

1. I hate blacks/asians/hispanics/whites/indians.
2. I hate catholics/jews/muslims/athiests/baptists/mormons/buddists.
3. I hate gays/lesbians/heterosexuals.
4. I hate bigots, racists and homophobes.

Now, with apologies to Sesame Street ... three of these sentences just do not belong here, three of these sentences are kind of the same.

Hate is hate, and it often blinds you to reason.
If you discriminate excessively* against a group of people because you don't like something about them, you're guilty of unfair prejudice too.
Feeling justified in your hate ... well, isn't that exactly what bigots claim with absolute sincerity?

(*) Excessively = in a way that's out of proportion or unconnected with the nature of the 'fault' you perceive in them.

 

[oc_in_fw]

Your point is.....

Sorry– I just went back and re-read your post. I thought you said your Dominican friends were gay. Thinking that, my point was that if they were gay it is one thing for them to bounce that phrase amongst themselves, but different if you did it. I still am not sure how I mixed that up- sorry for the confusion.

 

[Bk124tt]

Read the TOU before you go all Patrick Henry.

 

[ouch]

He's makin' a list.
He's checkin' it twice.
Christmas in September!

 

[Seraphim]