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Saddam To Hang

Well here goes another round of politcal unrest in the world....this is what the United States wanted...but what will the repurcussions of this outcome be ??? This is another very interesting world scenario...

Iraqi tribunal sentences Saddam to hang

By HAMZA HENDAWI, Associated Press Writer2 hours, 54 minutes ago



Saddam Hussein was convicted and sentenced Sunday to hang for crimes against humanity in the 1982 killings of 148 people in a single Shiite town, as the ousted leader, trembling and defiant, shouted "God is great!"
As he, his half brother and another senior official in his regime were convicted and sentenced to death by the Iraqi High Tribunal, Saddam yelled out, "Long live the people and death to their enemies. Long live the glorious nation, and death to its enemies!" Later, his lawyer said the former dictator had called on Iraqis to reject sectarian violence and refrain from revenge against U.S. forces.

The trial brought Saddam and his co-defendants before their accusers in what was one of the most highly publicized and heavily reported trials of its kind since the Nuremberg tribunals for members of Adolf Hitler's Nazi regime and its slaughter of 6 million Jews in the World War II Holocaust
"The verdict placed on the heads of the former regime does not represent a verdict for any one person. It is a verdict on a whole dark era that has was unmatched in Iraq's history," said Nouri al-Maliki, Iraq's Shiite prime minister.

Some feared the court decision could exacerbate the sectarian violence that has pushed the country to the brink of civil war, after a trial that stretched over nine months in 39 sessions and ended nearly 3 1/2 months ago. The verdict came two days before midterm elections in the United States widely seen as a referendum on the Bush administration's policy in Iraq. U.S. and Iraqi officials have denied the timing was deliberate.
The White House praised the Iraqi judicial system and denied the U.S. had been "scheming" for the verdict.

Iraqis "are the ones who conducted the trial. The Iraqi judges are the ones who spent all the time pouring over the evidence. ... It's important to give them credit for running their own government," said Tony Snow, the president's spokesman.

In north Baghdad's heavily Sunni Azamiyah district, clashes broke out between police and gunmen. Elsewhere in the capital, celebratory gunfire rang out.

"This government will be responsible for the consequences, with the deaths of hundreds, thousands or even hundreds of thousands, whose blood will be shed," Salih al-Mutlaq, a Sunni political leader, told the Al-Arabiya satellite television station.

Saddam and his seven co-defendants were on trial for a wave of revenge killings carried out in the city of Dujail following a 1982 assassination attempt on the former dictator. Al-Maliki's Islamic Dawa party, then an underground opposition, has claimed responsibility for organizing the attempt on Saddam's life.

In the streets of Dujail, people celebrated and burned pictures of their former tormentor as the verdict was read.
Saddam's chief lawyer Khalil al-Dulaimi condemned the trial as a "farce," claiming the verdict was planned. He said defense attorneys would appeal within 30 days.

The death sentences automatically go to a nine-judge appeals panel, which has unlimited time to review the case. If the verdicts and sentences are upheld, the executions must be carried out within 30 days.
A court official told The Associated Press that the appeals process was likely to take three to four weeks once the formal paperwork was submitted.

During Sunday's hearing, Saddam initially refused the chief judge's order to rise; two bailiffs pulled the ousted ruler to his feet and he remained standing through the sentencing, sometimes wagging his finger at the judge.

Before the session began, one of Saddam's lawyers, former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark, was ejected from the courtroom after handing the judge a memorandum in which he called the trial a travesty.
Chief Judge Raouf Abdul-Rahman pointed to Clark and said in English, "Get out."


In addition to the former Iraqi dictator and Barzan Ibrahim, his former intelligence chief and half brother, the Iraqi High Tribunal convicted and sentenced Awad Hamed al-Bandar, the head of Iraq's former Revolutionary Court, to death by hanging. Iraq's former Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan was convicted of premeditated murder and sentenced to life in prison.

Three defendants were sentenced to 15 years in prison for torture and premeditated murder. Abdullah Kazim Ruwayyid and his son Mizhar Abdullah Ruwayyid were party officials Dujail, along with Ali Dayih Ali. They were believed responsible for the Dujail arrests.
Mohammed Azawi Ali, a former Dujail Baath Party official, was acquitted for lack of evidence and immediately freed.
He faces additional charges in a separate case over an alleged massacre of Kurdish civilians — a trial that will continue while appeals are pending.
The guilty verdict is likely to enrage hard-liners among Saddam's fellow Sunnis, who made up the bulk of the former ruling class. The country's majority Shiites were persecuted under the former leader but now largely control the government.

Al-Dulaimi, Saddam's lawyer, told AP his client called on Iraqis to reject sectarian violence and called on them to refrain from taking revenge on U.S. invaders.

"His message to the Iraqi people was 'pardon and do not take revenge on the invading nations and their people'," al-Dulaimi said, quoting Saddam. "The president also asked his countrymen to 'unify in the face of sectarian strife.'"

In Tikrit, Saddam's hometown, 1,000 people defied the curfew and carried pictures of the city's favorite son through the streets. Some declared the court a product of the U.S. "occupation forces" and condemned the verdict.

"By our souls, by our blood we sacrifice for you Saddam" and "Saddam your name shakes America."

U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad issued a statement saying the verdicts "demonstrate the commitment of the Iraqi people to hold them (Saddam and his co-defendants) accountable."

"Although the Iraqis may face difficult days in the coming weeks, closing the book on Saddam and his regime is an opportunity to unite and build a better future," Khalilzad said.

Two U.S. officials who worked as advisers to the court on matters of international judicial procedures said Saddam's repeated outbursts during the trial may have played a key part in his conviction.

They cited his admission in a March 1 hearing that he had ordered the trial of 148 Shiites who were eventually executed, insisting that doing so was legal because they were suspected in the assassination attempt against him. "Where is the crime? Where is the crime?" he asked, standing before the panel of five judges.

Later in the same session, he argued that he was in charge and he alone must be tried. His outburst came a day after the prosecution presented a presidential decree with a signature they said was Saddam's approval for the Dujail death sentences, their most direct evidence against him.
About 50 of those sentenced by the "Revolutionary Court" died during interrogation before they could go to the gallows. Some of those hanged were children.

"Every time they (defendants) rose and spoke, they provided a lot of incriminating evidence," said one of the U.S. officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.
Under Saddam, Iraq's bureaucracy showed a consistent tendency to document orders, policies and minutes of meetings. One document gave the names of everyone from Dujail banished to a desert detention camp in southern Iraq. Another, prepared by an aide to Saddam, gave the president a detailed account of the punitive measures against the people of Dujail.

Saddam's trial had from the outset appeared to reflect the turmoil and violence in Iraq since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion.
One of Saddam's lawyers was assassinated the day after the trial's opening session last year. Two more were later assassinated and a fourth fled the country.

In January, chief judge Rizgar Amin, a Kurd, resigned after complaints by Shiite politicians that he had failed to keep control of court proceedings. He, in turn, complained of political interference. Abdul-Rahman, another Kurd, replaced Amin.

Hearings were disrupted by outbursts from Saddam and Ibrahim, with the two raging against what they said was the illegitimacy of the court, their ill treatment in the U.S.-run facility where they are being held and the lack of protection for their lawyers.
The defense lawyers contributed to the chaos in the courtroom by staging several boycotts.
 
I dont think execution is a very fitting punishment for what he has done. Why should his punishment be over so quickly. I'd take death over life in jail anytime. On a side note, have we as humans not moved past hanging as punishment? I'm not against capital punishment, just thought this was a silly means.
 
NMMB said:
Nick, where is your 10 foot pole - I'm going to need it here. :smile:

Apparently it's been commandeered by the US Armed Forces, and is on a cargo plane headed towards Iraq. :eek: :biggrin:

-Nick
 
Saddam seems like a distant bad memory now, and he's largely irrelevant to anything that's actually happening in Iraq at present. But his trial and sentence probably mean much more to the Iraqis -- on many levels -- who either suffered or prospered under his despotic rule. Hanging is probably too good for him, but kept alive in prison he would just be a divisive symbol. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I say.
 
10 foot pole regarding the ethics of the trial in general.

But from a purely practical perspective, life in prison just makes so much more sense. The emotional satisfaction some people will receive from his death just isn't worth the risk of making him into a martyr for others and/or increasing tensions.
 
I am strongly of the opinion that hanging is too good for him. :mad:

This is a man who, among many other things, watched from theater-like seating as men (alive and awake) were fed, feet first, into an industrial plastic shredding machine. Apparently for his and his cronies' entertainment.

I know that it is un-Christian of me to feel this way, but I am sorry, I cannot help it.

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Tim
 
The United States has facilitated the means by which Saddam shall meet his Maker and therefore receive his ultimate judgement. This is good for the Iraqis, the United States and for the world in general. Let those who would be despots beware.

Chris
 
I think the verdict and the punishment as well, are up to the Iraqis who tried him. We did not try him, as it is not the U.S. that he committed the most heinous crimes against. The U.S. DID however give him the highest powered legal defense team we could (doesn't get much higher than an attorney general....) Personally I think the death sentence prolonged his life, rather than shortening it. I've met people who have had their families start disappearing one by one simply because (apparently) Saddam was displeased with one of them for some reason or other. These people do not forget. Saddam was not always the harmless grandfather figure who likes junk-food and shares cigars with guards, that we've more recently come to be familiar with.
If they REALLY wanted him killed, the judge would have said Mr. Hussein, you are free to go...
I would give him thirty minutes from the time word got out where he was and the results of the trial.
As it stands, he is not executed yet, rather automatically it is under appeal. He may or may not ever get executed.
The court had no sympathy, I notice, for his desire to die from a firing squad rather than hanged.
I also wonder if the Iraqis will hang him like he did his own, using cranes and slow strangulation (with soldiers sometimes hanging on the victims boots to speed the process) or if they will be more humane and use something akin to the old British/US method where his neck is snapped and death is practically instant. Morbid thought. Sorry. Even though he may deserve it, I personally have no desire for him to suffer extra; however if those wronged reach some peace (which I doubt) from seeing him suffer, so be it.
John P.
 
The world needs a new Saddam to focus on. That's my absolute conviction. We need a "bad guy" to point at as a form of reference.
I think our new Saddam has already been nominated. The leader of North Korea, Kim IlJong.
 
I'm with Tim here. It's sad when a man has to die, but I won't be shedding any tears over this ba$t@rd. I'm also saddened that a sadist like Saddam is being hanged instead of being tortured like he did to so many people for his own amusement. :mad5:

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No idea.
If it was the U.S. it could be years and years.
If they were to just set him free he'd be dead in a week, depending on where he was.
I think the trick is going to be avoiding a public spectacle and making a martyr of him. Good riddance, but at the same time no sense in handing him a victory on the gallows, so to speak
John P.
 
I'm not apposed to capital punishment, but I believe it should be done in the most humane manner available. I don't feel that anyone should be forced to suffer an agonizing death no matter what they may have done. It just doesn't seem right to me.


Andrew
 
I'm of the opinion that the Iraqis should have just extradited him to Kuwait.

He would have been tried, convicted, sentenced, and executed a year and a half ago. <shrug> The man is evil and has no soul. May he suffer eternal damnation.

-- John Gehman
 
I'm not apposed to capital punishment, but I believe it should be done in the most humane manner available. I don't feel that anyone should be forced to suffer an agonizing death no matter what they may have done. It just doesn't seem right to me.


Andrew

I respect your opinion, but I think in a small number of cases you're wrong. There are a small group of people who spend their whole life propogating evil, IMO Saddam is one of them and a lethal injection is too good for that man. Also, I'm of a personal belief that death is not very high on the list of bad things that can befall a person. IMO, 80 years in prison is worse than a lethal injection, this is only my opinion though.
But Andrew, in the vast majority of cases, I'm in agreement with you.
 
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