....and at the end of the day, 99.9% of all operator error handgun malfunction issues (limp wrist, FTF, FTE, improper grip, etc.) can be quickly remedied
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....and at the end of the day, 99.9% of all operator error handgun malfunction issues (limp wrist, FTF, FTE, improper grip, etc.) can be quickly remedied
To repeat:
Query- has she picked a gun for herself that she owns and maintains as opposed to shooting yours?
I will respond in caps to differentiate, I am not yelling at you. My comments are premised on the use case of defensive firearms proficieincy. If your use case is play/plink, FWIW, YMMV.
I think you may have misunderstood. This Glock was not ever meant for her personal protection (unless I'm holding it). I bought it to play with the old fogies in my club on the IDPA range.
[ERGO MY PLAY /PLINK COMMENT.]
She picked out a S&W Shield EZ and shot many rounds at the range and wound up hating it due to the beaver tail safety, that required a stiffer grip than the Glock to engage it.
[MAKES SENSE. HAS SHE CONSIDERED SQUEEZING RUBBER BALL/TENNIS BALL FOR SLOW, STEADY STRENGTH INCREASE.NOTE I DID NOT SAY A GRIP SPECIFIC TOOL/CAPT OF CRUSH TYPE OF DEVICE.
She could do it, but it required some effort.
[ SEE ABOVE]
Got rid of the EZ because of the grip safety and she still couldn't rack the slide.
[SEE ABOVE. MANY FOLKS WHO HAVE DIFFICULTY RACKING A SLIDE HAVE SUCCESS BY HOLDING THE SLIDE WITH THE SUPPORT HAND WHILE THE STRONG HAND PUSHES THE GRIP FORWARD HARNESSING A TWIST OF THE HIPS AT THE SAME TIME, THE SUPPORT LETS THE SLIDE GO AND THE ROUND IS CHAMBERED.]
My wife is very demure, with tiny hands and simply lacks the grip and strength to overcome the stiff springs in all these semi-autos.
[SEE ABOVE. SEE ALSO PISTOLS FROM BERETTA WITH A TIP UP BARREL (THEY NOW CALL IT ELS- EFFORTLESS LOADING SYSTEM WHERE THE PISTOL CAN BE LOADED WITHOUT RACKING THE SLIDE.]
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We have experimented with revolvers and I am hoping to find one she can handle.
[IF GRIP STRENGTH IS THE CHALLENGE, THE DOUBLE ACTION NATURE OF THE VAST MAJORITY OF REVOLVERS DOES NOT SOLVE THE ISSUE.]
As it stands she can't pull the hammer on any of my revolvers and her index finger can't cycle the action on my double actions.
[WE ARE BACK TO SOMETHING WITH A LIGHTER, SHORTER TRIGGER.]
My original post was curiosity about why the Glock was more difficult to cycle than the others.
She loves to punch paper at the range and I had hoped my Glock would add to her fun. She has no aspiration to become a tactical shooter, but I intend to find something she can safely handle to meet her protection needs. She's a good shooter. Disciplined and not at all recoil averse. She just has a strength handicap. We will figure it out.
[IS SHE AS COMMITTED TO FIGURING THIS OUT AS YOU ARE? THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, SHE LIKES PUNCHING PAPER BUT HAS LITTLE HANDS, IS PETITE AND YOU THOUGHT THE ONE OF THE BIGGEST GLOCKS IN THE LINE UP WAS GOING TO WORK? IF THE “NEED” IS PURELY DEFENSIVE INSIDE A HOME/ON PROPERTY THEN THE ANSWER IS LIKELY NOT A PISTOL AT ALL.]
ACTION PLAN
1. CONFIRM HER INTEREST TO SPEND A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME/TALENT/TREASURE TO GETTING BETTER WITH A PISTOL
2. COMMIT TO A STRENGTH PROGRAM
3. HAVE HER TEST FIRE AND MANIPULATE PISTOLS SHE PICKS THAT SHE LIKES THAT MEET HER WHERE SHE IS RIGHT NOW
4. ENGAGE A FEMALE SHOOTING INSTRUCTOR OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE A MALE WHO HAS SUCCESSFULLY MET THE CHALLENGES YOU ARE FACING.
Query- has she picked a gun for herself that she owns and maintains as opposed to shooting yours?
I will respond in caps to differentiate, I am not yelling at you. My comments are premised on the use case of defensive firearms proficieincy. If your use case is play/plink, FWIW, YMMV.
I think you may have misunderstood. This Glock was not ever meant for her personal protection (unless I'm holding it). I bought it to play with the old fogies in my club on the IDPA range.
[ERGO MY PLAY /PLINK COMMENT.]
She picked out a S&W Shield EZ and shot many rounds at the range and wound up hating it due to the beaver tail safety, that required a stiffer grip than the Glock to engage it.
[MAKES SENSE. HAS SHE CONSIDERED SQUEEZING RUBBER BALL/TENNIS BALL FOR SLOW, STEADY STRENGTH INCREASE.NOTE I DID NOT SAY A GRIP SPECIFIC TOOL/CAPT OF CRUSH TYPE OF DEVICE.
She could do it, but it required some effort.
[ SEE ABOVE]
Got rid of the EZ because of the grip safety and she still couldn't rack the slide.
[SEE ABOVE. MANY FOLKS WHO HAVE DIFFICULTY RACKING A SLIDE HAVE SUCCESS BY HOLDING THE SLIDE WITH THE SUPPORT HAND WHILE THE STRONG HAND PUSHES THE GRIP FORWARD HARNESSING A TWIST OF THE HIPS AT THE SAME TIME, THE SUPPORT LETS THE SLIDE GO AND THE ROUND IS CHAMBERED.]
My wife is very demure, with tiny hands and simply lacks the grip and strength to overcome the stiff springs in all these semi-autos.
[SEE ABOVE. SEE ALSO PISTOLS FROM BERETTA WITH A TIP UP BARREL (THEY NOW CALL IT ELS- EFFORTLESS LOADING SYSTEM WHERE THE PISTOL CAN BE LOADED WITHOUT RACKING THE SLIDE.]
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We have experimented with revolvers and I am hoping to find one she can handle.
[IF GRIP STRENGTH IS THE CHALLENGE, THE DOUBLE ACTION NATURE OF THE VAST MAJORITY OF REVOLVERS DOES NOT SOLVE THE ISSUE.]
As it stands she can't pull the hammer on any of my revolvers and her index finger can't cycle the action on my double actions.
[WE ARE BACK TO SOMETHING WITH A LIGHTER, SHORTER TRIGGER.]
My original post was curiosity about why the Glock was more difficult to cycle than the others.
She loves to punch paper at the range and I had hoped my Glock would add to her fun. She has no aspiration to become a tactical shooter, but I intend to find something she can safely handle to meet her protection needs. She's a good shooter. Disciplined and not at all recoil averse. She just has a strength handicap. We will figure it out.
[IS SHE AS COMMITTED TO FIGURING THIS OUT AS YOU ARE? THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, SHE LIKES PUNCHING PAPER BUT HAS LITTLE HANDS, IS PETITE AND YOU THOUGHT THE ONE OF THE BIGGEST GLOCKS IN THE LINE UP WAS GOING TO WORK? IF THE “NEED” IS PURELY DEFENSIVE INSIDE A HOME/ON PROPERTY THEN THE ANSWER IS LIKELY NOT A PISTOL AT ALL.]
ACTION PLAN
1. CONFIRM HER INTEREST TO SPEND A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME/TALENT/TREASURE TO GETTING BETTER WITH A PISTOL
2. COMMIT TO A STRENGTH PROGRAM
3. HAVE HER TEST FIRE AND MANIPULATE PISTOLS SHE PICKS THAT SHE LIKES THAT MEET HER WHERE SHE IS RIGHT NOW
4. ENGAGE A FEMALE SHOOTING INSTRUCTOR OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE A MALE WHO HAS SUCCESSFULLY MET THE CHALLENGES YOU ARE FACING.
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....and at the end of the day, 99.9% of all operator error handgun malfunction issues (limp wrist, FTF, FTE, improper grip, etc.) can be quickly remedied
I thought about posting something similar, but didn't.
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You got it. There was never any question about personal protection for my wife. My original question was to understand why the Glock, which was bought for me not her, was stove piping when many others did not. I received many great answers and now I know. It was my mistake to try to explain my wife's special circumstances. It only muddied the water. I'm all squared away on this and there's no need to analyze it any further. Thanks!
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A quick update to say thanks for your input. Went to the range on Saturday. My wife stovepiped the first round, then with a firm grip and a locked wrist, she emptied 3 17 round magazines with ease. Never too old to learn.
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My wife is petite and has very small hands. She can hold and fire my G19, but, she doesn't feel comfortable doing so.
Recoil is inevitable, but, practice makes it a virtual non-issue. Grip size, though, can't be overcome easily. She will never be comfortable with my G21 or my Anaconda; I will never be comfortable with her LCP or her CM-9. We both love the wooden grips on my 1950s Blackhawk .357 (which is testament to the fact that recoil can be rendered irrelevant).
I wouldn't modify a pistol. Better to get a different one that feels right.
Recoil is inevitable, but, practice makes it a virtual non-issue. Grip size, though, can't be overcome easily. She will never be comfortable with my G21 or my Anaconda; I will never be comfortable with her LCP or her CM-9. We both love the wooden grips on my 1950s Blackhawk .357 (which is testament to the fact that recoil can be rendered irrelevant).
I wouldn't modify a pistol. Better to get a different one that feels right.
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“Recoil can be rendered Irrelevant”
Do you have an electronic timer?
I would humbly submit that recoil is relevant at least as relative to the split between shots.
ie. My go to first live fire drill is 5 shots on a 8 inch plate an 5 yards from concealment with a big step off line as I shoot.
In broad strokes: My time with a G34 9mm shooting 124/147 Lawman in 2.35 -2.65. My time with a G35 .40 cal shooting 165/180 Lawman is 2.55-2.85.
In short, I can get essentially get off 6 shots v 5 shots in the same time window shooting a 9 v a 40.
I strongly suspect that you would see a similar differential between shooting a 38 cal round v .357 magnum round.
When you then couple hand size/strength differences between shooter/sexes, the split times often go up exponentially and the accuracy can go down as well as the shooter becomes aware they are shooting “too slow” and/or the recoil is “breaking” their grip etc
The timer does not lie. The timer coupled with a few videos with a smart phone really does not lie.
“Recoil can be rendered Irrelevant”
Do you have an electronic timer?
I would humbly submit that recoil is relevant at least as relative to the split between shots.
ie. My go to first live fire drill is 5 shots on a 8 inch plate an 5 yards from concealment with a big step off line as I shoot.
In broad strokes: My time with a G34 9mm shooting 124/147 Lawman in 2.35 -2.65. My time with a G35 .40 cal shooting 165/180 Lawman is 2.55-2.85.
In short, I can get essentially get off 6 shots v 5 shots in the same time window shooting a 9 v a 40.
I strongly suspect that you would see a similar differential between shooting a 38 cal round v .357 magnum round.
When you then couple hand size/strength differences between shooter/sexes, the split times often go up exponentially and the accuracy can go down as well as the shooter becomes aware they are shooting “too slow” and/or the recoil is “breaking” their grip etc
The timer does not lie. The timer coupled with a few videos with a smart phone really does not lie.
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Good morning Alpster! About the only gun my wife enjoys shooting at the range is the Glock 44, (22 LR). May want to research and consider……..Thanks again!
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I have a Taurus TX22 that I use for training new students and a S&W S22 target pistol and my wife loves shooting them both, but they aren't practical for self defense. I am leaning toward either a 380 or a revolver in 38sp for her cc.
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USPSA? I competed for a long time. Was a CRO w/ 3 gun endorsements and local range master. ended up 5 gun master class (almost made M in revolver) and then got out of it after buying a life membership. Is there alot of competitors in here?
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A bit of USPSA- IDPA was my "game" of choice. I have several hundred hours of training with my client agencies as well as Gunsite, Thunder Ranch, Cumberland Tactics ( Randy Cain) Rangemaster (Tom Givens) and EAG ( Pat Rogers)
I would shoot that reload combination after chamber checking every round.
I would shoot that reload combination after chamber checking every round.
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It sounds like the gun might be a little big or wide for her hands, causing the limp wristing. I suggest letting her try a Glock 43X from a friend. They’re everywhere. Single stack 9mm so it’s not as wide at the grip. Great concealed carry gun for yourself as well.
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