I just saw this on Aliexpress. The description is almost verbatim from the Tatara website. They are selling the open or closed comb for under $72. Made from 303 stainless steel like the genuine. They are not hiding anything and seem to be daring someone to do something.
MASAMUNE NODACHI Fake
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This is why I avoid buying products from China whenever possible. I understand that in their culture it’s ok to copy things. But in western culture that isn’t ok and I side with the western arguments on this topic.
I would like to distinguish the simple copy/imitation of the razors that Aliexpress/Temu are full of and are purchased without problems from counterfeiting.
This razor is probably counterfeit.
I think that at the moment the main problem is that on Aliexpress, to protect buyers who are confused and deceived, they should eliminate those counterfeit razors which in addition to being almost perfect and faithful copies also have the logos/brands of their respective manufacturers engraved on them.
But how would you know it’s not the same manufacturer making both the perfect copy with engraved logos and the lower quality copy and selling both under different seller accounts?
In any event, I consider a bad copy just as distasteful as an exact copy and don’t wish to support either version or the manufacturer/seller.
I'm not going to delve into why a similar discussion about the fake Henson was first moderated and then blocked by the moderators.
I only reply that it is well known, there has been talk of the fake Henson and the fake Syntesi which is counterfeit.
They seem to be removing parts of the counterfeit razors in that store, so there's no point in delving further.
I just wonder why, with the exception of Barbieri Uniti which has released an official communication on all this, the other owners of the related copied brands have not yet done so to tell us something about what they think is happening; several weeks have already passed since this discovery. Maybe they don't want it known at the moment.
I wasn’t aware that any other threads had been moderated/closed. I was only stating that I don’t find much difference between exact copies and close copies. They are all objectionable to me. With exceptions for old or abandoned designs; copy those as much as you want.
EclipseRedRing
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I suspect that most buyers of these copies would in all likelihood never have purchased the original products, if that is so then the loss of sales to the brand owners will be minimal, although there could be reputational damage. There is also the issue of second hand sales once the copies enter the used marketplace. I wonder how many counterfeits are bought and sold, possibly unknowingly and in good faith by both seller and buyer. I suspect that might negatively affect used sale prices especially as a known genuine item is unlikely to be available for direct comparison.
These are now being sold as original Tatara on Danish secondhand online sites, claiming they were bought from reputable vendors. Prices around $150.
Iridian
Cool and slimy
I wonder if at least the razor is the copy, did they really bother to copy the cardboard box and Tatara blades as well?
I guess one will get the razor in a blank cardboard box and maybe different blades.
They might get taken down on AliExpress, but they will find their way to the West, maybe even for full price.
It is important to buy from reputable copycats like Yaqi and DSCosmetic, but not from counterfeiters. Now that has an ironic quality, but yeah.
I guess one will get the razor in a blank cardboard box and maybe different blades.
They might get taken down on AliExpress, but they will find their way to the West, maybe even for full price.
It is important to buy from reputable copycats like Yaqi and DSCosmetic, but not from counterfeiters. Now that has an ironic quality, but yeah.
The worse part about is that buying a second hand Tatara and other copied razors is going to be a nightmare for those who don't want to buy them new and save some money. The same also goes for those who sell them, since some buyers are going to be on high alert and avoid them.
All in all, those copies are going to cause more problems for everyone in the shaving community than do any good for anyone else, but the Chinese of course.
Like Iridian said, at least brands like Yaqi and DSCosmetic have the decency to put their names on their products regardless of how close their copies are to the original, but what those guys are doing is unacceptable.
Moral of the story? Buy the originals from the official websites and lets others know of these fakes.
All in all, those copies are going to cause more problems for everyone in the shaving community than do any good for anyone else, but the Chinese of course.
Like Iridian said, at least brands like Yaqi and DSCosmetic have the decency to put their names on their products regardless of how close their copies are to the original, but what those guys are doing is unacceptable.
Moral of the story? Buy the originals from the official websites and lets others know of these fakes.
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When they were for sale on Aliexpress they offered three options.
1. closed comb
2. open comb
3. with both base plates
Gap .90
Exposure .10
303 stainless steel
1. closed comb
2. open comb
3. with both base plates
Gap .90
Exposure .10
303 stainless steel
Do you guys know of Pils Rasur is getting copied aswell?
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they are not copies they are used razors being resold.
the rocca from ali express i ordered came with damage in the base plate from wear and tear from use
Again?!? I think this thread will be moderated or blocked by a moderator again before much time passes.
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BobbyBacala
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Why would they be shipped from Wester countries to China and then back to the Western countries? It doesn't make any sense.
If they need to be resold, they can easily be done from Western countries. No involvement with Chinese sellers is necessary.
Iridian
Cool and slimy
AI and Google translate can translate that. Sicilian, never ever heard or read that language before. Hmm!
BUT BACK ON TOPIC: I believe the blackish/greyish stain seen on the metal could also just be a trace from machining. I think you are jumping to conclusions, unless you have other evidence besides a hunch that this is rather a used razor than a copy.
BUT BACK ON TOPIC: I believe the blackish/greyish stain seen on the metal could also just be a trace from machining. I think you are jumping to conclusions, unless you have other evidence besides a hunch that this is rather a used razor than a copy.
IMO it's not cool manufactoring a clone like the tatara masamune etc.. However, most of the time it's not a crime. I don't belive tatara filed and got approved for trademarks that would protect them from this PRACTICE, not that it would stop Chinese manufactores from producing them.
Why would someone pay close to a 100 dollars for a clone when the real thing is 180 dollars. That doesn't make any sense to me.
Why would someone pay close to a 100 dollars for a clone when the real thing is 180 dollars. That doesn't make any sense to me.
I'm not angry. You had already written it in the other discussion titled 'Knockoff henson' that those chinese razors are not copies.
From what I understand from reading some of your comments you purchased some of these razors that are likely to be fakes and counterfeits from that store on Aliexpress.
I will believe what you write only when you write that you also have the originals of those razors and compared them with the Chinese copies.
Well, I know you don't have the original razors. Is that correct?
If it is true, that is precisely why you cannot even write with certainty that Chinese copies of razors are original.
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