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Hitting the range this a.m. to test my Ruger SRH .454 (long!)

Thanks to a nice break from work (two week vacation) I'm finally in a position to do some testing with my Super Redhawk .454

This is the result of discovering sometime last fall that when shooting loads primed with CCI small rifle magnum primers, the energy transfer from shooting DA mode (trigger cocking) lacked sufficient force to ignite these very hard primers. There are no issues when hammer cocking to set off this primer.

The use of small rifle magnum primers in the .454 Casull is necessary when using full charge loads, which operate in the vicinity of rifle-level pressures.

I've spent a cumulative several days worth of time researching possible causes of this. In Ruger aficionado circles, it's a very well known problem and repeated efforts by some individuals to notify Ruger of this has not appeared to change anything.

Some people address the problem by installing a longer firing pin (Hamilton Bowen makes one). Some reduce the thickness of the hammer where it contacts the frame to increase its forward travel somewhat. That's the route I took after using feeler gauges to determine the difference in firing pin protrusion between manually pressing the transfer bar forward compared to letting the hammer push the firing pin forward is about .004" greater when manually pushing the transfer bar forward.

With extreme judicious use of a coarse, oiled Arkansas stone and keeping the profile of the hammer nose, I have removed approximately that amount of material from it. Prior to today there was 100% failure of the DA mode of this revolver to set off the CCI small rifle magnum primers, so if I get any DA ignition with these primers today, even one, that will tell me I'm heading down the right path. Otherwise I guess it's back to the drawing board.

I've measured headspace on a new case at .014". I'm not sure where that measurement falls in Ruger's range of acceptability, but it's possible that could be a few thousands too long and something I would have to ask them about or possibly return if necessary to set back.

I've gotten varying advice from others on the best way to proceed with this, and there is a balancing act to it all...too much firing pin protrusion could possibly result in pierced primers on softer primer cups, so that is to be avoided at all cost. But no one wants a gun that is only reliable in one mode of firing or one restricted to only using certain primer brands.

So...if I get a positive result, I will be comparing several different softer primers to see how they behave as well. As much fun as it is to shoot full charge loads, I shoot lower lever .45 Colt loads much more often, as they are less fatiguing to the wrist over a protracted range session.

If you've gotten this far, thanks for enduring my saga!

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Great write up. It seems like quite a bit of effort for something Ruger should be addressing. I will be interested in the results on the range. Enjoy.

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Son of a gun (no pun intended) :)

I went to the range I've been a member of for nearly 30 years here and things have changed. Handguns are now banned from the outdoor 100 yard range. At the 25 yard outdoor pistol range, .454 Casull, .460 and .500 S&W are banned.

Essentially I'm locked out of using my .454 there. I spoke with some regulars there at the clubhouse and they said about all I can do is go to a club board meeting and bring up that fact. I'm not sure it's worth it as in 3-5 years I'll be fully retired and moving out of this state for a retirement property in which the "range" is my own back yard.

So mulling options, I decided the only other option I have is to load some new, empty cases with CCI small magnum rifle primers and try popping them off in my basement.

Granted this is not as 100% decisive as using loaded ammunition, but all 6 primers fired in DA mode without a hiccup! Pic of the 6 cases showing firing pin strike:

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Comparison pic of the firing pin strike on some .45 Colt +P loads from a previous range trip:

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And the area of the hammer I removed approximately .004" of material to increase the forward range of the firing pin:

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I seriously doubt if 6 primed cases go off in DA mode there would be any difference with fully loaded ammo. I think I'll leave well enough alone at this point and next year when I make my southern vacation pilgrimage, bring this hogleg along for a good wringing out.

Have a great day everyone!
 
That's a real shame. I'm in Upstate NY for several more years and belong to a club. We have a range that can handle just about any revolver. Perhaps there is another range near you.

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That's a real shame. I'm in Upstate NY for several more years and belong to a club. We have a range that can handle just about any revolver. Perhaps there is another range near you.

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Hi Chris.

Well I believe they are responding to the fear of being forced to close if there are any safety related incidents. I've seen this gradually encroaching on the scene for a while now, but I was a little surprised at their essentially banishing anything .454 and above from the entire club.

It was a local friendly range for years on end, now there are placards and security cameras everywhere. I'm all about safety but I don't get the restrictions now in place, other than a result of someone having done something to cause a safety issue and they're not taking any chances.

That's okay though. I'll be calling it quits in the workplace here in a relative few short years and the wife and myself will be heading out of here.

Have a great day sir!
 
Good looking Keith-style.

Agree; shoot .45 Colt. It's mostly there.


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I'll be heading out to the indoor 50' pistol range early tomorrow am for a live load test.

250 grain cast flat point over 8 grains Unique in .454 cases with the vaunted CCI small rifle magnum primer touching them off. More to follow :)
 
Range test results from this morning using DA ignition in the Ruger Super Redhawk.

First cylinder - 3 fire / 3 no-fire

Second cylinder - 2 fire / 4 no-fire

I didn't test beyond that (no re-attempt on the light hits).

Today I'll be doing a comparison of firing pin protrusion using the hammer pressing the transfer bar forward and by manually pressing the transfer bar forward. Once these two measurements coincide (measured using a feeler gauge between firing pin face and cylinder and adjustments made to hammer nose to align them) I'll stop. After that point it's mainspring energy that is the only remaining variable.

Though during queries of this problem on a gun forum, I was assured it has nothing to do with mainspring strength, something makes me find that claim suspicious, but I'll withhold any further judgement until I've performed the above checks and do another range test.
 

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Range test results from this morning using DA ignition in the Ruger Super Redhawk.

First cylinder - 3 fire / 3 no-fire

Second cylinder - 2 fire / 4 no-fire

I didn't test beyond that (no re-attempt on the light hits).

Today I'll be doing a comparison of firing pin protrusion using the hammer pressing the transfer bar forward and by manually pressing the transfer bar forward. Once these two measurements coincide (measured using a feeler gauge between firing pin face and cylinder and adjustments made to hammer nose to align them) I'll stop. After that point it's mainspring energy that is the only remaining variable.

Though during queries of this problem on a gun forum, I was assured it has nothing to do with mainspring strength, something makes me find that claim suspicious, but I'll withhold any further judgement until I've performed the above checks and do another range test.
Thanks for the update.
 
Range test results from this morning using DA ignition in the Ruger Super Redhawk.
... After that point it's mainspring energy that is the only remaining variable.

Though during queries of this problem on a gun forum, I was assured it has nothing to do with mainspring strength, something makes me find that claim suspicious, but I'll withhold any further judgement until I've performed the above checks and do another range test.

I had ignition problems on my 480 SRH when I ran too light of spring... A heartier spring and the problem stopped.
 
I had ignition problems on my 480 SRH when I ran too light of spring... A heartier spring and the problem stopped.

Greetings Bill.

That's the problem I'm running into with the Super Redhawk. I can find stock, factory weight replacement springs (which is what is in mine now) and there are plenty of reduced weight springs around, but no one stocks an extra power mainspring anywhere.

That was going to be my first resort for this issue, because SA ignition mode is fine, and "logically" (if one could accuse me of being logical :) ), an extra weight spring would give the hammer more momentum for the shorter travel distance DA affords.
 
Mine worked fine with factory springs, trouble arouse when I did a trigger job and clipped them too light. I've used brake line cut into shims to tighten up springs. If that fixes the problem then maybe a call to Wolf or another spring maker to get one made.
 
Mine worked fine with factory springs, trouble arouse when I did a trigger job and clipped them too light. I've used brake line cut into shims to tighten up springs. If that fixes the problem then maybe a call to Wolf or another spring maker to get one made.

True dat.

Also another factor that could come into play here is headspace. My revolver headspaces at .014" on a new Winchester case. It's entirely possible that measurement is "within spec" for a factory QC check but still could be a few thousands too long for reliably lighting off the ultra hard CCI 450 primer with the stock 17# mainspring in DA mode.

What I'm seeing a lot of folks do is either install a longer firing pin, decrease hammer nose thickness (my route currently) or some combination thereof.

I believe I'll know a lot more after my next test. I have the difference between hammer-pressed firing pin and manually-pressed firing pin down to minimal.
 
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