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Bought 5 pens - not happy with any of them

Well, my latest leap into the FP world has not gone well at all. I had purchased a 3 pack of Pilot Varsity's a month or so ago, and I loved how smooth and effortless they were to write with. I didn't like that they were too broad for my tastes (I like a very fine line), the ink tended to bleed quite a bit on most of the paper I use, and they're ugly (of course they are - they're cheap disposables). While they had some issues, I loved being able to write smoothly and effortlessly with virtually no pressure. I was sure that spending a bit more would get me something that laid down a finer line and didn't look cheesy. I'm handling the bleeding ink as a separate issue as ink can be changed easily in the pens I planned to purchase.

I couldn't make up my mind what I wanted, so I ordered the following:
2 Hero 616s (for cheap beaters I wouldn't care if I lost - similar to Varsity's but not as ugly)
Noodler's Ahab - because it looked really nice and the flex interested me
Pilot 78G (f) - this was what I expected would be "the one" since it's known for it's more XF nib and for being on the dry side

After cleaning them, loading them, and using them for a few days, I'm more than a little disappointed. None of them write as smoothly, consistently, and effortlessly as the disposable Varsity.

The Heros are actually the best performers, but they are a little scratchy to write with. That may settle down with more use, but for $3 I'm not going to complain much as they actually write pretty well.

The 78G looks nice and feels good in my hand. The problem is that it's so dry it's almost unusable and it's really scratchy to write with (worse than the Heros). When I say dry, I'm not just talking about the writing experience but also the resulting line left on the paper. It's too faint to easily read. I think the scratchiness is likely a product of too little inkflow. Not sure if there's anything I can do about this. I had thought about speading the nib tines a bit, but I think adjusting the feed is more likely the correct solution. I'm not really sure how to do this correctly though, still looking into it.

The Ahab.... Is currently impossible to write with. It skips constantly. This problem appears to be unrelated to the amount or pressure you use (same skipping problem whether you barely touch the paper or really bare down for a broader line). It also doesn't appear to be a feed issue, as the line is quite wet when it isn't skipping. It's particularly bad about skipping when you begin a line or word, but happens intermittenly when writing as well. I thought I had narrowed the cause down to the angle at which I hold the nib, but that hypothesis is probably wrong as I have experienced the skipping some even when holding it at what appeared to be the sweet spot angle. Even if it worked flawlessly at that angle, the margin of error there is too tiny to be of any real use. Forming common letter forms forces you out of that angle at times which would make the skipping worse. I don't really think the angle or the amount of ink being fed is the issue. When it isn't skipping, it can keep up with laying down lots of ink resulting from applying pressure to spread the tines.

I'm more than a little disappointed with this experience to say the least. The $3 Varsity is still provides a far better writing experience than these much more expensive pens. Granted these aren't particularly expensive pens, but they do cost considerably more than the $3 Varsity.

The ink I'm using is Noodler's Bad Belted Kingfisher. It feathers quite a bit with most of the paper I use, but not enough to make it unusable. I'll probably try to find something else that works better for my daily work ink, but it works well enough for now.

Hopefully there is some way to get these pens working for me as I'm very disappointed with them right now.

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The Varsities are too wide for my taste, too.

I have several Pilot 78Gs and they were also pretty dry writers. It's easy to pull the nib and feed straight out of the section. Then take a razor blade or other thin blade and widen the channel on the black plastic feed to increase the flow of ink. I would suggest only widening it a little at a time and then reinstall the nib in your pen and dip testing it. You can always widen the channel more but you can't undo it.
 
Do you own other fountain pens? I have never really bonded with a cheap fountain pens. I prefer vintage Parker 51s, or modern Namiki Vanishing Points. I'd rather have one quality pen then 5 cheapies.
 
I have two 78G's with fine tips; one writes nicely and the other is on the dry and scratchy side. It might be worth trying to spread the tines. I also got an Ahab a while ago. Spent hours over several days trying to get the right adjustment for flow. My fingers were stained for days and I had to answer lots of questions from my work colleagues about why. I finally decided that my time is more valuable than frigging with a $20 pen.
 
...I have several Pilot 78Gs and they were also pretty dry writers. It's easy to pull the nib and feed straight out of the section. Then take a razor blade or other thin blade and widen the channel on the black plastic feed to increase the flow of ink. I would suggest only widening it a little at a time and then reinstall the nib in your pen and dip testing it. You can always widen the channel more but you can't undo it.

Yes, what he said. Only one of my 78Gs had the dry writing problem. I tried that trick, and now it's got a decent flow. Didn't mention it before as I wasn't sure it was a good idea with these plastic feeds, and thought maybe I just got lucky. Maybe I did. Would have been more cautious with an expensive pen.
 
Not that I am an old hand or anything like that, but I am an inexpensive pen user and just wanted to throw in my 2 cents worth...Keep the Ahab full of ink and try it out everyday...they seem to get better with time. Mine now writes very well and it improved after I stopped fiddling with it. It seems like that over time the feed finally saturated and all the air is out of it. From your discription I was wondering how much pressure you are using...? If you have been a rollerball user than you may still be pressing to hard. No presure is required for a decent feeding pen. Let the nib glide on a layer of ink and adjust angle slightly to see if you can find a "sweet spot". Some fellas suggest "the paper bag" trick to calm down a scratchy nib. I have had success quieting a couple of my Wing Sungs, which tend to be dry. They too seem to benefit from Time and all have become very sweet fine and wet writers.

I have been playing with Platinum Preppys lately, also have a Platinum Plaisir. The Preppys are $4.00 pens and for the money very nice, but arnt the smoothest either. The mediums are great, but may be too wet for you. The fine seems dry and scratchy, although I get better perfotrmance with a basic ink, like Parker Quink. I find the colored inks do not feed as well in the fine nibs and they also seem to like the darker inks better as well. Quink blue/black is my favorite daily use ink. If you want smooth, try out the Baoer pens...very buttery, but medium nibs, maybe too wet for you. The Baoer 388 is available cheap on e-bay and is a terrific little pen for the money. Good luck with your search and if you havent invested yet in better paper, you should. better paper will add to a silky feel and give better ink performance. Staples sell a "Sustainable Earth" line of papers that are cheap and good with fountain pens...
 
So I spent some time fiddling with them last night...

The 78G is now perfect! I removed, scrubbed, and ran a razor blade down the feed as suggested. I also slightly pulled the tines apart (I did so little of this that it probably made no difference though, couldn't get a good grip without risking messing up the alignment of the tines). Now, it's exactly what I wanted it to be. The flow is smooth and steady and just right. It never skips or has trouble starting now. I will probably go with a darker ink for it in the future as the BBK seems to work better with a larger, wetter nib.

The Ahab, oh the Ahab... I disassembled it, scrubbed it extremely thoroughly, and put it back together. I left 10 fins showing at first (previously had it at 8). I filled it up and tested it. For a few moments, it was glorious. It would write consistently with zero pressure (you could cradle it in your hand and slide it across the paper with the nib just barely gracing it and get a nice fine line with no skipping. Then... I shook it. Not hard, but just a little bit. Drops of ink went all over the paper. I tried shaking it gently because I had read of another user having that problem and I wanted to make sure that I didn't, but I did. I pushed the feed in further (back to 8 fins) thinking that may be the problem, but I still get drops of ink if I shake it a little bit. When I went back to 8 fins, the skipping problem also returned.

Any ideas about what else I should try on the Ahab?

While frustrated with the Ahab, I really love the 78G now. I'm glad I didn't give up on it!

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The 78G's really comes alive with the feed mod, I do it on all of mine. They also like wet ink, I use Noodlers Aircorp Blue-Black which is a great match.
 
My Hero is scratchy too, don't like fine nibs.
The Ahab is a PITA, I agree. Mine wouldn't write AGAIN,
shook it, nothing, tried to advance the converter, it's stuck
push harder and....you guessed it, ALL the ink came out. :cursing:

I haven't given up yet, I am going to try opening a channel or two in the feed.
Also need to order the better O ring, to make the plunger easier to use.
 
My Hero is scratchy too, don't like fine nibs.
The Ahab is a PITA, I agree. Mine wouldn't write AGAIN,
shook it, nothing, tried to advance the converter, it's stuck
push harder and....you guessed it, ALL the ink came out. :cursing:

I haven't given up yet, I am going to try opening a channel or two in the feed.
Also need to order the better O ring, to make the plunger easier to use.
I want to play more with flex pens badly, but its stuff like this and my own experience with the first gen Noodlers flex that keeps me away from these, despite how cheap they are... I agree that its cool you can afford to buy several and mess with them, but I don't wanna mess with them. I want them to work. I have little patience for that sort of thing.
 
I'm with you on the Ahab.

I spent WAY more time on this *** than the $20 thing was worth.... Best I could get out of it....

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Not the Lamy 2000.... that's the Al-Star.

Ahab first word was upper left, then 2nd row left, then 2nd column upper left, ect....
Drops appeared on the feed so I knew it was going to blob... I just let it happen.
Right now it's in at about 8 or 9 fins (can't get it in any more) and it won't write at all.

And yes... greased the heck out of the piston o-ring and it stuck.

I said I was going to bin it. The only reason I haven't is I like the way it looks sitting in the pen cup.
It's a pretty pen... just don't take the cap off and try to use it.
 
Guys, anyone who has an Ahab they are going to chuck - don't! At least send it to someone who can make it work.
It's not that hard, but it does take a bit of patience. Unless you are going to send your pens out for work,
you will need to be able to do simple adjustments. Whether it's avintage 51, a new Montblanc - whatever.
And learning these techniques on an inexpensive pen is the way to go. My Ahab starts right away now, and is one of my favorites.
It writes without skipping, nice and medium wet. There is a replacement O ring which stops the stickiness
of the piston, Goulet has it: http://www.gouletpens.com/Noodler_s_Ahab_Piston_Seal_O_Rings_p/orings-ahab.htm
As far as a scratchy nib, make sure the tines are aligned: http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?/topic/187706-five-bad-things-that-happen-with-new-pens/
I'm telling you, there's few things more satisfying than turning a pen around, and finding it is a waondefull writer!
 
My two Ahabs are reasonably good. After giving them both a thorough cleaning, and reseating the nibs and feeds, they both write quite nicely. If I let them sit unused for a few days, which I do, they are slow starters, one more than the other, and if I shake them vigorously, which works perfectly well on some pens, they spit ink. I end up tapping them a lot, and putting some extra pressure on the nib at first. Once started, though, they write smoothly, and don't seize up or start skipping while I'm writing. If I pick one up after only a single day, they start easily enough. They are a bit fat to carry around, so they are mostly at home pens, and there are models I like better.

I can work the piston with its original O-ring by slowly twisting it to get it started, instead of trying to force it straight down at once. I don't like the idea of paying extra for an O-ring that works better. It should have been included in the first place, or if the maker realized later that there was a problem, it should be a completely free upgrade; I don't see why I should even pay postage. Still, I can work with the pen the way it is, and after all, it wasn't expensive by fountain pen standards.
 
Mine won't release even with twisting. I pull BACK initially now : o
I agree, the new O rings should be available to owners for free.
 
I have several Pilot 78g pens and the only problem pen is the fine nib.. It writes too dry and have to push down too much... I have solved my issue by pulling out the feeder and nib and running it in my ultrasonic cleaner with dish soap. Now it writes like it should I assume there is some gunk in the feeder from manufacture.. I hope others will give this a try it may solve some issues some may have.
 
Did all of that with my Ahab. Flushed it with Dawn dish soap, worked with the nib, etc.
It either blotzes ink or won't write.

Like I said in the other thread... it's just too much trouble for a $20 pen. It's not worth the effort, so I'll just look at it in the pen cup.
It's too bad it doesn't perform as well as it looks.
My Lamy Al-Star and cheapie Shakespeare can sit in the cup for a week and they'll write beautifully without any hassle.
 

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Did all of that with my Ahab. Flushed it with Dawn dish soap, worked with the nib, etc.
It either blotzes ink or won't write.

Like I said in the other thread... it's just too much trouble for a $20 pen. It's not worth the effort, so I'll just look at it in the pen cup.
It's too bad it doesn't perform as well as it looks.
My Lamy Al-Star and cheapie Shakespeare can sit in the cup for a week and they'll write beautifully without any hassle.

Sad to hear. I really wanted to get the Bumblebee (I think). I need a pen in Steelers colors, but if it don't write it ain't worth it.
 
I love my ahab I refuse to write with anything else, the flex makes my writing look awesome. No issues with it here.
 
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