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Mitchells Wool Fat Shaving Soap is no longer Tallow based

...like cold water closing pores (doesn't happen).
I don't know, man. Actually I know, pores don't close, of course... However:

The arrector pili muscles are small muscles attached to hair follicles in mammals. Contraction of these muscles causes the hairs to stand on end - known colloquially as goose bumps. Each arrector pili is composed of a bundle of smooth muscle fibres which attach to several follicles (a follicular unit), and is innervated by the sympathetic branch of the autonomic nervous system. The contraction of the muscle is therefore involuntary - stresses such as cold, fear etc. may stimulate the sympathetic nervous system and thus cause contraction, but the muscle is not under conscious control. Contraction of the muscles has a number of different purposes. Its principal function in the majority of mammals is to provide insulation: air becomes trapped between the erect hairs, helping the animal retain heat. Erection of the porcupine's long, thick hairs causes the animal to become more intimidating, scaring predators. Pressure exerted by the muscle may cause sebum to be forced along the hair follicle towards the surface, protecting the hair. The major goals of open access hair therapy and transplantation articles is to help in scaling up with the continuing and explosive growth of knowledge by providing unlimited access to scientific community.

It is all about feelings, for some.

Anyway, I will let Carmen explain it. Or even better, invite our in-resident cosmetologist @FarmerTan to pitch in and share with us some of his wisdom.
 
Sorry if I missed it, but anybody do a comparison of the new formulation yet? Curious to read how it is. Thanks

Here is a thread with some comparisons:

yup, comparison happens here. This thread you are curious about is a funeral, actually. Question is, did you know the deceased?

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What's happening in this thread? You might ask. Here, that's what's happening here:

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One might also ask, and quite rightly, how long are we going to keep at it?
I don't know, depends, I guess:

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It's amazing how sitting on a stockpile of tallow can soothe the grieving soul.

I'm just grateful we were clued in early enough to take advantage of the residual supply in the system, that vendors didn't jack their prices, and that there was a very large residual supply available.

Still is available, for now, though it's no longer large.

Amen.
 
I believe they do.

A key lubricant ingredient that has been abundantly used as a shave lubricant is polyethylene oxide, a highly water-binding long-chain polymer molecule. When pulled as a result of the drag force, this molecule is able to elongate longitudinally and maintains a cushioning protective film under the cartridge, and in particular under the blade edges, through the formation of a partial elastohydrodynamic film 17. The presence of this protective layer is key in minimizing attrition of the skin from the sharpened blades.

I also believe that, in the context of shaving, the two cannot be separated. In the sense that cushioning is integral part of lubrication. While we can experience slickness without cushioning/protective film (just use any bar of soap, providing plenty of slickness) one can easily experience the eureka moment when using a good quality shaving soap. The latter offering residual slickness and cushioning. Ok, I will put quotation marks to please some here, like this: "cushioning".

All that matters, and all I care, is that we all have great shaves and share that experience on his board.

That Link is well worth a read - and not just for the phrase "partial elastohydrodynamic film"...

"The force to cut beard hair has been shown to decrease by around 40% as the hair becomes fully hydrated 2. Additional hydration time prior to the shave can therefore make a significant difference to the cutting force and consequently the sensation of pull and tug experienced. For this reason, it is recommended that men wash their face, or shower, prior to shaving"
 
It's amazing how sitting on a stockpile of tallow can soothe the grieving soul.

I'm just grateful we were clued in early enough to take advantage of the residual supply in the system, that vendors didn't jack their prices, and that there was a very large residual supply available.

Still is available, for now, though it's no longer large.

Amen.
Amen, brother. Indeed.

Posting here from the safety of my sabbatical cage. So it happens, my every sabbatical year came with the loss of a dear friend. This year is no different. Promise, I swear, solemnly, this my last sabbatical.

However, foresight, some have it, some don't. I wish I managed money the same way I managed shaving gear. You would be responding to a billionaire here ...
ha.
 
That Link is well worth a read - and not just for the phrase "partial elastohydrodynamic film"...

"The force to cut beard hair has been shown to decrease by around 40% as the hair becomes fully hydrated 2. Additional hydration time prior to the shave can therefore make a significant difference to the cutting force and consequently the sensation of pull and tug experienced. For this reason, it is recommended that men wash their face, or shower, prior to shaving"
Observations on the Cutting of Beard Hair. Known since 1976... Ignored since forever...

 

FarmerTan

"Self appointed king of Arkoland"
A layer of what!?
Hmmm.

I think you get better shaving advice from a blood-filled walking meat sack than a talking box.
Not to pick at nits, but it depends on the blood-filled walking meat sack in question. I know so many folks that the nicest thing I can say about their intelligence level is that they are house trained that I have serious doubts for the continuation of the free werld.

Forgive me my melancholy tonight please, gents. It has been an overwhelming week. I'm running on fumes in my emotional fuel tank.

I don't know whether to pray for my frenemies or kick them in the kneecaps. Lol, it's a good thing I'm a lazy old coot. It has undoubtedly kept me out of jail these many years!

Time for bed.
 

never-stop-learning

Demoted To Moderator
Staff member
This has been an interesting exercise.

What have I learned? The primary lesson is that there are a good number of tallow and lanolin soaps which are very comparable to tallow MWF. Mitchell's decision to eliminate tallow won't cause me to miss a beat. D.R. Harris, Cyril R. Salter, WSP, Mike's and otlers all make soaps that will now be in my soap rotation.

I still have to try the reformulated MWF. Maybe when things calm down a bit. Maybe a comparison between the reformulated Tabac and the reformulated MWF? ;)

So.....The sun will, indeed, continue to rise in the East in the morning and I will continue to shave with an outstanding selection of soaps - of all types. :)

Over and out. :)
 

Mr. Shavington

Knows Hot Turkish Toilets
It's amazing how sitting on a stockpile of tallow can soothe the grieving soul.

I'm just grateful we were clued in early enough to take advantage of the residual supply in the system, that vendors didn't jack their prices, and that there was a very large residual supply available.

Still is available, for now, though it's no longer large.

Amen.
That’s true. I’m very glad I got a good stock of MWF tallow soaps.

You know what I like most about MWF? It’s the excellent cushion that the lather has.

I didn’t really understand cushion before this thread - it was just something I felt - but I do understand it now.
 
so, maybe we need to simply have a thread about cushion and slickness after all. due to the death of sodium/potassium tallowate, we all are bereft and grieve deeply. perhaps the solace of grief will be found within the descriptions of soaps and their corresponding cushion and slickness. yea, though i walk through the valley of the shadow of non-tallow soaps....
 

Mr. Shavington

Knows Hot Turkish Toilets
so, maybe we need to simply have a thread about cushion and slickness after all. due to the death of sodium/potassium tallowate, we all are bereft and grieve deeply. perhaps the solace of grief will be found within the descriptions of soaps and their corresponding cushion and slickness. yea, though i walk through the valley of the shadow of non-tallow soaps....
We probably should, if only to record it for posterity. When the tallow is long gone future shavers will not understand about cushion and they will just think we made it up.
 

luvmysuper

My elbows leak
Staff member
I also believe that, in the context of shaving, the two cannot be separated. In the sense that cushioning is integral part of lubrication.
I could get onboard with this assessment - Cushion as an aspect of proper shaving lubrication.
One could push their finger through a puddle of water on a glass tabletop and it would be slicker than pushing a dry finger over that same glass, but it's no where near as slick as pushing a finger though a puddle of olive oil. (best analogy I could think of at the moment).
The reason is that the latter provides a film of lubrication that creates a layer, no matter how thin, that keeps the ridges of the finger from gripping the glass surface.
Though the water provides some lubrication over dry glass, it rapidly dissipates and displaces, leaving the finger to again start gripping the surface.
Approaching the concept that cushion is a descriptor for the film layer maintained between the moving razor and the skin and not as an additional property separate from the lubrication but as important as the lubrication has merit for me, and I can see the value of that idea.
The two are inseparable in a good shaving lather.
Lather without proper lubrication / slickness has no cushion, and cushion without proper lubrication cannot exist.
You can make lather that seems like it would work, but due to ingredients used or not used in the soap or cream, or improper lather building, may not actually be as slick as needed to shave properly, and will not allow for maintaining that lubrication film which can be referred to as cushion.
 
is it still possible to stock up on tallow MWF soaps?
Can someone clarify if Kent is the same as MWF ?
If so is this Luxury Shaving Soap Refill - SB2 | Kent Brushes - https://kentbrushes.com/collections/mens-shaving-cream/products/luxury-shaving-soap-refill-sb2 the tallow soap?
Thank you !
Kent=MWF. And yes, as of this moment, they have 111 tallow still in stock. It seems as though everyone who already knew about the reformulation has stockpiled. They were selling 100+ a day, it's slowed down quite a bit. It was at 230ish a few days ago.
 
My 8 pucks of Kent Tallow batch 9139 showed up in Canada today.
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Received, opened and vacuum sealed my 10 puck order today. Also batch no. 9139. Previous order of 5 pucks was batch no. 9223.

I wonder where all these 9139 pucks came from? My understanding was that they had 1,000 of 9223 left, and once those sold out, in the next day or two, Kent restocked with approximately 500 tallow pucks, most of which seem to be 9139, and there's about 100 left.

For those just getting to this thread, Kent will be restocking (and changing the website) to the new formula soap when the old formula MWF/Kent is gone, and will stock that until or unless they find someone to make their tallow soap, which does seem to imply that they have certain rights to the soap recipe, or know the recipe well enough to duplicate it, or think they can have someone make a better tallow/lanolin soap than the currently produced 'Veg o' Lan' MWF.

Edit: some interesting facts about lanolin. It can absorb twice it's own weight in water. Also, when it is refined to medical grade, it becomes hypoallergenic.
 
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As a straight razor user exclusively, I don't really think about soaps in terms of cushion, or protection, for that matter. But I have noticed this: I have a couple brushes that I don't like to face lather with because they're too prickly or scratchy, but with some soaps I can. Presumably because there's more cushion between the bristles and my skin.
 
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