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On Shaving: Minor Musings of an Eternal Beginner

Happy Sunday, Gentlemen.

Yesterday there was a lot of rugby to watch for Super Saturday, the final day of the Six Nations. England finished 2nd after demolishing Wales. It might finally be starting to come together for England after a few years of less than wonderful performances, but France are currently on a different level from the rest of the northern teams and were deserved winners of the tournament.

I had a great shave yesterday morning with the Gamechanger 0.68 OC / Permasharp combo. Four shaves on that blade and no problems. The rate of regrowth tells me it wasn't as efficient as when fresh, but there were no serious issues. The past few months have seen me pretty much abandoning one-and-done and getting at least two or more shaves out of my blades. I put it down to a) sticking to blades I know I like, b) using mild OC razors that give me the efficiency I want without stressing the blade, and c) not going ATG without getting maximum reduction from earlier passes - not only are my shaves better but my blades are lasting longer.

After I shaved yesterday morning I prepared the evening meal. I like to cook Indian / Asian food at the weekend when I have a bit more time to get fancy. Yesterday it was just a simple dish, as I wanted to be free to watch rugby all afternoon rather than spending it in the kitchen, but it was still super tasty.

Whilst I was cooking I had the thought that preparing a dish is very much like getting a good shave:

  • You need to select the right ingredients (whether that's a bunch of spices or soaps and splashes, razors and blades) and understand not only how each one behaves in isolation, but how they all work together.
  • You need to keep your tools in good condition and understand how to use them effectively - the right tool for the job. A sharp blade in the kitchen is as important as a sharp blade in your razor, and good knife skills are like good razor skills - you can manage without them, but a bit of expertise can make all the difference to the quality of the results.
  • You need to make quick judgements and be able to adjust on the fly. Does that lather need more water? Does that dish need more chilli powder, or more time on the heat than the recipe said? Do you need to make another WTG pass before proceeding? With experience, you develop an instinct for these things, but whether you are shaving or cooking, simply following a formula by rote is probably not going to give you the very best possible results - the ability to improvise is essential.
  • Most importantly, you need to clean up thoroughly after yourself when you finish, or incur the wrath of the domestic authorities!

There's probably more similarities, but these are the ones that came to mind. Maybe this is why I enjoy both activities.

And the brush, James? How are you fairing with that one?

I am growing to really like it. Even if this particular knot is not the best example, there's just something about it. It will probably always be too scritchy for face lathering, but it is softening up a little and hasn't lost a hair since the first test lather. I owe Simpsons an apology. :blushing:

I am also starting to understand what @helicopter said, that stiffness and scritch can be an advantage because it eats into soap and whips up lather much quicker than something soft and floppy. Even though I can't face lather with the Berkeley, I am impressed by how it performs in a bowl with hard soaps. For such a tiny brush it punches way above its weight.

So, I guess another Simpsons is back on the menu. I think I want to stick with smaller knots, which is a blessing in terms of the potential wallet damage, but I would also like some variety in terms of handle colours. I am not short of brushes (I must still have 20+ even after getting rid of a few) but if I am going to add relatively expensive badger to my existing store of cheap boars and synths I want to wait for something that really calls out to me. At the moment the Colonel is a definite (but I would love it in black or butterscotch) and then maybe an M7 or a 57. There's no rush. I am happy window shopping for now!
 
Well, it's time for another week of Overlandering. I have an appointment with my foot man tomorrow to see if I can start physio exercises again after the last setback. I suspect not, since a couple of days ago I restrained my tibialis posterior and peroneal tendons when I stumbled, so I am back to struggling to shuffle about the house and have pain just standing, let alone walking. The problem with having so many lower limb tendon injuries is that when you try to protect one, you make the others worse.

Anyway, to save time tomorrow I decided to get a shave in this evening. I am picking up where I left off with the Overlander, going straight to Feathers for the efficiency as they gave by far the best results last time. I have to say though, I still struggle to make this razor work for me. There are parts of my face where, for the sake of comfort, I want to go either very steep or very shallow. The Overlander doesn't allow this, so I have to just plough through the whiskers at razor's set angle, even though it isn't comfortable. I also find that I need a little bit of pressure to get the blade down at the base of the whiskers where it should be. I would prefer a lighter touch, but if I back off as much as do with my more traditional razors it barely shaves.

So, it seems to be a choice with this razor between an inadequate shave (no pressure, which just leaves a load of stubble behind) or a dolphin like BBS but with more facial impact than I really want. I don't seem to be able to hit that happy medium because I can't do the things that other razors let me do.

That was the case today. The final result is an absolutely flawless BBS and that aspect is superb, but applying aftershave showed that I have over-shaved to get there - I went bright red, and could feel the burn in parts of my face that no other razor has ever troubled except for when I was doing my very first DE shaves 15 years ago.

I am going to have another week / 10 days with the razor, but I think if I can't reduce the facial impact I will set the Overlander head aside and eventually get another Christopher Bradley cap and plate to use with this handle. What is the secret, Overlander fans? What am I doing wrong?

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P.S. The little Berkeley did an absolutely bang-up job with the hard Salter Lavender soap. Far better lather than I ever got from this soap using a synth or a boar. This little brush is winning me over and makes me regret gifting pucks from my Salter stash to my eBay buyers earlier this year - if I had know I could get lathers like this from it I would have held on to them!
 

Dave himself

No Words of Wisdom
Well, it's time for another week of Overlandering. I have an appointment with my foot man tomorrow to see if I can start physio exercises again after the last setback. I suspect not, since a couple of days ago I restrained my tibialis posterior and peroneal tendons when I stumbled, so I am back to struggling to shuffle about the house and have pain just standing, let alone walking. The problem with having so many lower limb tendon injuries is that when you try to protect one, you make the others worse.

Anyway, to save time tomorrow I decided to get a shave in this evening. I am picking up where I left off with the Overlander, going straight to Feathers for the efficiency as they gave by far the best results last time. I have to say though, I still struggle to make this razor work for me. There are parts of my face where, for the sake of comfort, I want to go either very steep or very shallow. The Overlander doesn't allow this, so I have to just plough through the whiskers at razor's set angle, even though it isn't comfortable. I also find that I need a little bit of pressure to get the blade down at the base of the whiskers where it should be. I would prefer a lighter touch, but if I back off as much as do with my more traditional razors it barely shaves.

So, it seems to be a choice with this razor between an inadequate shave (no pressure, which just leaves a load of stubble behind) or a dolphin like BBS but with more facial impact than I really want. I don't seem to be able to hit that happy medium because I can't do the things that other razors let me do.

That was the case today. The final result is an absolutely flawless BBS and that aspect is superb, but applying aftershave showed that I have over-shaved to get there - I went bright red, and could feel the burn in parts of my face that no other razor has ever troubled except for when I was doing my very first DE shaves 15 years ago.

I am going to have another week / 10 days with the razor, but I think if I can't reduce the facial impact I will set the Overlander head aside and eventually get another Christopher Bradley cap and plate to use with this handle. What is the secret, Overlander fans? What am I doing wrong?

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P.S. The little Berkeley did an absolutely bang-up job with the hard Salter Lavender soap. Far better lather than I ever got from this soap using a synth or a boar. This little brush is winning me over and makes me regret gifting pucks from my Salter stash to my eBay buyers earlier this year - if I had know I could get lathers like this from it I would have held on to them!

Hopefully everything will go well tomorrow mate.
 
Well, it's time for another week of Overlandering. I have an appointment with my foot man tomorrow to see if I can start physio exercises again after the last setback. I suspect not, since a couple of days ago I restrained my tibialis posterior and peroneal tendons when I stumbled, so I am back to struggling to shuffle about the house and have pain just standing, let alone walking. The problem with having so many lower limb tendon injuries is that when you try to protect one, you make the others worse.

Anyway, to save time tomorrow I decided to get a shave in this evening. I am picking up where I left off with the Overlander, going straight to Feathers for the efficiency as they gave by far the best results last time. I have to say though, I still struggle to make this razor work for me. There are parts of my face where, for the sake of comfort, I want to go either very steep or very shallow. The Overlander doesn't allow this, so I have to just plough through the whiskers at razor's set angle, even though it isn't comfortable. I also find that I need a little bit of pressure to get the blade down at the base of the whiskers where it should be. I would prefer a lighter touch, but if I back off as much as do with my more traditional razors it barely shaves.

So, it seems to be a choice with this razor between an inadequate shave (no pressure, which just leaves a load of stubble behind) or a dolphin like BBS but with more facial impact than I really want. I don't seem to be able to hit that happy medium because I can't do the things that other razors let me do.

That was the case today. The final result is an absolutely flawless BBS and that aspect is superb, but applying aftershave showed that I have over-shaved to get there - I went bright red, and could feel the burn in parts of my face that no other razor has ever troubled except for when I was doing my very first DE shaves 15 years ago.

I am going to have another week / 10 days with the razor, but I think if I can't reduce the facial impact I will set the Overlander head aside and eventually get another Christopher Bradley cap and plate to use with this handle. What is the secret, Overlander fans? What am I doing wrong?

View attachment 2013503

P.S. The little Berkeley did an absolutely bang-up job with the hard Salter Lavender soap. Far better lather than I ever got from this soap using a synth or a boar. This little brush is winning me over and makes me regret gifting pucks from my Salter stash to my eBay buyers earlier this year - if I had know I could get lathers like this from it I would have held on to them!

Hi, Jim.

I wanted to thank you again for the guidance on the Bay Rum (seeing your bottle reminded me). I’ve been using mine for a couple of weeks and it turned out to both my and my wife’s liking. Next time I’m in Europe, I’ll try to send you a bottle as a thank you.
 

thombrogan

Lounging On The Isle Of Tugsley.
What is the secret, Overlander fans? What am I doing

I’d probably steer you worse.

For the Overlander to receive its sycophantic adoration from me, I need to either have a lukewarm-to-hot shower or repeated bouts of face washes with similar temperatures (anything hotter than cold works with hot working best).

From there, a very wet lather (from nigh-runny to pointlessly messy preferred) helps reduce drag.

Finally, the razor’s angle. My experience with the Karve Overlander (aluminum :001_wub: or brass) is that a slightly shallow/mostly neutral angle works best and with only enough skin stretching to keep flesh from bunching in front of the edge. A lighter touch is better, but slightly excessive pressure is almost forgiven.

Also, the same chicanery I outlined works the same with a RazoRock Game Changer if one uses the shallow-side-of-neutral type of angle. At least with the 0.68OC plate, but probably with any Game Changer plate because it’s an angle where the comb isn’t felt.
 

Balin

“I am a well overdue couch potato”
I am growing to really like it. Even if this particular knot is not the best example, there's just something about it. It will probably always be too scritchy for face lathering, but it is softening up a little and hasn't lost a hair since the first test lather. I owe Simpsons an apology. :blushing:

I am also starting to understand what @helicopter said, that stiffness and scritch can be an advantage because it eats into soap and whips up lather much quicker than something soft and floppy. Even though I can't face lather with the Berkeley, I am impressed by how it performs in a bowl with hard soaps. For such a tiny brush it punches way above its weight.

So, I guess another Simpsons is back on the menu. I think I want to stick with smaller knots, which is a blessing in terms of the potential wallet damage, but I would also like some variety in terms of handle colours.
You might want to try out a Simpsons Super. The Classic 2 is a smaller brush that punches above its weight. Its not as expensive as a Chubby 1. Simpsons made me a Classic 2 in Super by request as they don't often make special edition Classic 2's. The handle has a smaller diameter than a Chubby 1 also.
I have an appointment with my foot man tomorrow to see if I can start physio exercises again after the last setback. I suspect not, since a couple of days ago I restrained my tibialis posterior and peroneal tendons when I stumbled, so I am back to struggling to shuffle about the house and have pain just standing, let alone walking. The problem with having so many lower limb tendon injuries is that when you try to protect one, you make the others worse.
Good luck tomorrow!
 
Thanks for the well wishes, guys. The doctor cancelled the appointment as he has a family emergency of his own this morning. I will see him at the weekend, but that means a few more days of rest before he assesses whether I am ready to start physio again, which is probably a good thing. I really want the all clear to start again. Even if it is only lying on the bed doing stuff with big elastic bands at least it feels like progress!

@thombrogan thanks for the tips. It does sound as though I am doing everything right, but what that really means is that I think I am doing everything right! Let's see how things go for the remainder of the week. I will stick with the razor longer than a week if I think I need some really concentrated time with it to develop the right touch. The rate of regrowth this morning shows I am not actually over-shaving significantly, but it seems like I can't take the whiskers down without abrading the epidermis at the same time. It must be a me problem. I will keep trying. I noticed last week with the GC 0.68OC that my "neutral" angle with that is with the comb just touching the skin, but the main contact area is the cap, and I am trying to adopt that same kind of angle with the Overlander.

@BigAlVista you're a gent, Sir. Thank you! I replied to your message.

@Balin They have a Berkeley in Silvertip on the site at the moment. At more than twice the price of Best it probably isn't the best value "upgrade". I am not sure I care. I...will...resist...!!!

@Guido75 & @Dave himself cheers, Gents! 🍻
 

Balin

“I am a well overdue couch potato”
Thanks for the well wishes, guys. The doctor cancelled the appointment as he has a family emergency of his own this morning. I will see him at the weekend, but that means a few more days of rest before he assesses whether I am ready to start physio again, which is probably a good thing. I really want the all clear to start again. Even if it is only lying on the bed doing stuff with big elastic bands at least it feels like progress!

@thombrogan thanks for the tips. It does sound as though I am doing everything right, but what that really means is that I think I am doing everything right! Let's see how things go for the remainder of the week. I will stick with the razor longer than a week if I think I need some really concentrated time with it to develop the right touch. The rate of regrowth this morning shows I am not actually over-shaving significantly, but it seems like I can't take the whiskers down without abrading the epidermis at the same time. It must be a me problem. I will keep trying. I noticed last week with the GC 0.68OC that my "neutral" angle with that is with the comb just touching the skin, but the main contact area is the cap, and I am trying to adopt that same kind of angle with the Overlander.

@BigAlVista you're a gent, Sir. Thank you! I replied to your message.

@Balin They have a Berkeley in Silvertip on the site at the moment. At more than twice the price of Best it probably isn't the best value "upgrade". I am not sure I care. I...will...resist...!!!

@Guido75 & @Dave himself cheers, Gents! 🍻
I prefer the Super Silvertip, not the Silvertip 2 band. The Super Silvertip is cheaper than the 2 band also!

Simpsons made my off menu Classic 2 in Super Silvertip in Aug 22 for £97.15 😁 .
 
James, I am just going to say one thing…

You Shall Not Pass Lord Of The Rings GIF

You are quite right. I won't in this case. But do you know what? Temptation is easier to resist when you decide not to feel guilty if you DO fail.

I have told myself that at some point later this year I might drop out if I want to. No biggie. Given that I am likely to be stuck in the house (and it really is stuck in the house, even walking on our patio is difficult because the slaps are so lumpy and uneven) for most of the rest of the year, if playing with a new shaving brush gives me a few hours of pleasure then I am going to have a new shaving brush and not beat myself up about it.

But that doesn't mean I have to rush into anything. GRUYERE is still working because it is stopping me from making impulse purchases and actually thinking about what to buy next...hopefully that means ending up with stuff I really enjoy, rather than just stuff!
 

Guido75

Is it swell time?
Temptation is easier to resist when you decide not to feel guilty if you DO fail.
I have failed many time based on that premise, so I am only pointing fingers at myself!

And offsetting lousy events with happy gear is 💯 % ok in my book!

I am still getting into GRUYERE this year. It was somehow easier last year. So far so good, but I am not making too much promises!
 

Phoenixkh

I shaved a fortune
You are quite right. I won't in this case. But do you know what? Temptation is easier to resist when you decide not to feel guilty if you DO fail.

I have told myself that at some point later this year I might drop out if I want to. No biggie. Given that I am likely to be stuck in the house (and it really is stuck in the house, even walking on our patio is difficult because the slaps are so lumpy and uneven) for most of the rest of the year, if playing with a new shaving brush gives me a few hours of pleasure then I am going to have a new shaving brush and not beat myself up about it.

But that doesn't mean I have to rush into anything. GRUYERE is still working because it is stopping me from making impulse purchases and actually thinking about what to buy next...hopefully that means ending up with stuff I really enjoy, rather than just stuff!
I did look around Etsy for NEW SC and LC razors and found one of each at one of my favorite Vintage sellers. <eg>

25% off St. Patrick's Day Sale... lasts until April Fool's Day. double <eg>
 
I did look around Etsy for NEW SC and LC razors and found one of each at one of my favorite Vintage sellers. <eg>

25% off St. Patrick's Day Sale... lasts until April Fool's Day. double <eg>

I know they are there...I am being good. For now. But my list of things I want does include:

- Kave C-OC plate (or maybe a complete razor - I like to have complete razors instead of swapping plates).
- Replated or stripped and polished NEW LC and / or NEW SC.
- Simpsons Colonel and / or 56 (some other models interest me, but these are the priority).

What is likely to tip me over the edge is Chris producing some CB parts (now made to order is no longer an option I want to jump on them when they become available) or Simpsons dropping some brushes in Butterscotch or Ebony. Until then I shall probably manage to hold my ground!

On a completely different subject....

I think I might have had a breakthrough with the Overlander today. I thought about what @thombrogan said about using it shallow and decided that rather than go by feel, I would do what I tell new shavers to do and pivot into an effective shaving angle from the cap. Here's what I learned:

- I WAS using it too steep. I was going both too steep and too forceful to get an amount of blade feel that felt "normal" to me.

- In actual fact, the razor will shave at a shallower angle even when there is almost no perceptible blade feel at all. I mean, compared to Tech this thing feels like a ***** cat. That is how little blade feel there is. I assumed no blade feel meant no efficient whisker removal, but it ain't like that with this razor.

- But it does require very precise angle control. It only takes a tiny movement away from that effective-even-though-you-can't-feel-the-blade angle and you have pivoted off altogether.

It's a bit weird - not what I am used to, but it did seem to work. Today was easily my best Overlander shave to date. BBS and whilst there was still a bit of AS feedback it was nothing like last time, in fact I would say it was probably residual soreness from the last shave, rather than new soreness from this shave.

I still don't really understand what has happening before when I felt like I had to press down so as not to leave stubble behind. I can only assume I was riding the bar in error and pressing down to make good blade contact - it just feels very different from other razor designs so maybe my brain has been reading the signals wrong.

I definitely need to stick with this razor for a bit to see if I can get used to it. I think I am starting to crack the code but I feel like I said that before, then went back to using other razors and must have forgot what I learned. I need to get used what this razor feels like when it is "right", which is sufficiently different from my other razors that it is probably going to take a while. Good thing I have nothing but time!

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