I use the thayer's rose WH a lot. I use it after the alum but before the ASB (almost always proraso). I don't know if I would use it with a straight up AS. It does a good job of softening the skin and the rose smells great. i tried the lavender but didn't like it as much. I think lavender in general doesn't agree with my skin and the scent was a bit too faint (I guess I just really like the rose scent).