Archers Unite (In Your Advice/Abuse/Whatever)

40_Caliber said:

Given the superior equipment available why do you shoot a more traditional bow?

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DS/B MCS said:

Been a long time, but I used to hunt with a Mathews Z-Max

Probably going to get back in the woods this year, so I'm just starting to research again. So many choices

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galopede said:

That's like asking him why he doesn't use a Fusion to shave!

Gareth

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rktscientist7 said:

It's good to find some trad archers on B&B! For starters, what type of longbow are you using? Moving from a 55lb to a 100lb longbow is going to make you significantly overbowed. Have you looked into the more niche longbow manufacturers? Names like Dwyer, Dryad, Massie, Ron LaClair, and a dozen others hand build remarkable longbows. I would recommend you check out an R/D (reflex/deflex) design to eliminate some of the stereotypical longbow handshock as well as pick up a few fps.

Trad Gang is an incredible resource for the traditional archer, whether you hunt, compete, build bows, or are looking for advice! Good luck!

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galopede said:

That's like asking him why he doesn't use a Fusion to shave!

Gareth

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I guess it depends on an individuals needs and desires.

40_Caliber said:

Knew that one was coming. Shaving is one thing, sending an arrow downrange is quite another. Traditional bows cannot hope to match the speed and accuracy of modern equipment. I guess it depends on an individuals needs and desires.


In the days of yore when armies had a troops of archers sending 100's of shafts raining down on the opposition a long bow was a very suitable tool.

In today's highly competitive world of 3D shoots and indoor 20 yard speed and accuracy are vital and traditional equipment is simply outpaced and won't be seen.

Here is an example. I setup a bow for 20 yard indoor competitive shooting.
45# pull Browning compound
2" Overdraw
TH supreme arrow rest
4' carbon fiber stablizer with mercury shock can
Taxonics micrometer adjustable sight system with 4x power bullseye
Match grade release
XXXX75 match grade arrows
With this setup a skilled archer can hit a circle the size of a quarter almost every time.

With a modern hunting setup an arrow can be sent downrange with almost the same accuracy but using a much heavier hunting arrow traveling at speeds approaching 250-300 feet per second. The speed is essential to reduce the ballistic curve of the arrow. This flatter flight path allows more accurate arrow placement at unknown yardage.

So the question again, what is the reason for choosing more traditional archery equipment? What is the planned use?

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40_Caliber said:

Knew that one was coming. Shaving is one thing, sending an arrow downrange is quite another. Traditional bows cannot hope to match the speed and accuracy of modern equipment. I guess it depends on an individuals needs and desires.


In the days of yore when armies had a troops of archers sending 100's of shafts raining down on the opposition a long bow was a very suitable tool.

In today's highly competitive world of 3D shoots and indoor 20 yard speed and accuracy are vital and traditional equipment is simply outpaced and won't be seen.

Here is an example. I setup a bow for 20 yard indoor competitive shooting.
45# pull Browning compound
2" Overdraw
TH supreme arrow rest
4' carbon fiber stablizer with mercury shock can
Taxonics micrometer adjustable sight system with 4x power bullseye
Match grade release
XXXX75 match grade arrows
With this setup a skilled archer can hit a circle the size of a quarter almost every time.

With a modern hunting setup an arrow can be sent downrange with almost the same accuracy but using a much heavier hunting arrow traveling at speeds approaching 250-300 feet per second. The speed is essential to reduce the ballistic curve of the arrow. This flatter flight path allows more accurate arrow placement at unknown yardage.

So the question again, what is the reason for choosing more traditional archery equipment? What is the planned use?

.40

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blackfoot said:

It is the same reason we choose to shoot a muzzle loader. The challenge. Anyone one can take a setup like you described and become fairly proficient after a little practice. Going with a more traditional setup takes tons of practice. The reason the long bows were replaced was the lack of skill necessary to operate the more advanced systems being invented. That being said, I love to shoot both.

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40_Caliber said:

Knew that one was coming. Shaving is one thing, sending an arrow downrange is quite another. Traditional bows cannot hope to match the speed and accuracy of modern equipment. I guess it depends on an individuals needs and desires.


In the days of yore when armies had a troops of archers sending 100's of shafts raining down on the opposition a long bow was a very suitable tool.

In today's highly competitive world of 3D shoots and indoor 20 yard speed and accuracy are vital and traditional equipment is simply outpaced and won't be seen.

Here is an example. I setup a bow for 20 yard indoor competitive shooting.
45# pull Browning compound
2" Overdraw
TH supreme arrow rest
4' carbon fiber stablizer with mercury shock can
Taxonics micrometer adjustable sight system with 4x power bullseye
Match grade release
XXXX75 match grade arrows
With this setup a skilled archer can hit a circle the size of a quarter almost every time.

With a modern hunting setup an arrow can be sent downrange with almost the same accuracy but using a much heavier hunting arrow traveling at speeds approaching 250-300 feet per second. The speed is essential to reduce the ballistic curve of the arrow. This flatter flight path allows more accurate arrow placement at unknown yardage.

So the question again, what is the reason for choosing more traditional archery equipment? What is the planned use?

.40

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40_Caliber said:

Knew that one was coming. Shaving is one thing, sending an arrow downrange is quite another. Traditional bows cannot hope to match the speed and accuracy of modern equipment. I guess it depends on an individuals needs and desires.


In the days of yore when armies had a troops of archers sending 100's of shafts raining down on the opposition a long bow was a very suitable tool.
sending 100's of shafts raining down on the opposition a long bow was a very suitable tool.

In today's highly competitive world of 3D shoots and indoor 20 yard speed and accuracy are vital and traditional equipment is simply outpaced and won't be seen.

Here is an example. I setup a bow for 20 yard indoor competitive shooting.
45# pull Browning compound
2" Overdraw
TH supreme arrow rest
4' carbon fiber stablizer with mercury shock can
Taxonics micrometer adjustable sight system with 4x power bullseye
Match grade release
XXXX75 match grade arrows
With this setup a skilled archer can hit a circle the size of a quarter almost every time.

With a modern hunting setup an arrow can be sent downrange with almost the same accuracy but using a much heavier hunting arrow traveling at speeds approaching 250-300 feet per second. The speed is essential to reduce the ballistic curve of the arrow. This flatter flight path allows more accurate arrow placement at unknown yardage.

So the question again, what is the reason for choosing more traditional archery equipment? What is the planned use?

.40

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rktscientist7 said:

No offense, but I completely disagree with you. Look up some videos of people like Howard Hill, Byron Ferguson, and Ron LaClair. These men can shoot nickels and dimes out of the air or cut playing cards in half with an arrow.

I used to hate going to shoots with compound shooters. There's nothing worse than waiting as a group of 4-5 guys take their sweet time looking at the target with their binoculars, double-checking the marked range on their range finders, adjusting their sights and waiting for the slight crosswind to die down. When they eventually release, the whole process starts over again because, wouldn't you know it, they still didn't break the inner ring.

At some point archery stopped being about ability and started being about how well you could line up a few dots and push a button. For similar reasons I detest 20 yard target competitions.

The bottom line? Real archers don't need training wheels.

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DefaultAnon said:

hahaha
thats kinda like asking why use a bow when you could use a rifle? you should swap in favor of new technology
Also, I find it much more satisfying to shoot by feel. I feel like I'm cheating somehow when I use a sight.

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rktscientist7 said:

I used to hate going to shoots with compound shooters. There's nothing worse than waiting as a group of 4-5 guys take their sweet time looking at the target with their binoculars, double-checking the marked range on their range finders, adjusting their sights and waiting for the slight crosswind to die down. When they eventually release, the whole process starts over again because, wouldn't you know it, they still didn't break the inner ring.

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