Culture of Obnoxious Idiots?

**Giant** · 02-25-2009, 09:25 PM

Gentlemen, I am dismayed. The other night, I attended a hockey game with my father (good win for the Oil by the way), and I couldn't believe what I found there. Sitting immediately behind us was one of those obnoxious drunkards who feels the need to let everyone around him know exactly what he is thinking. Don't get me wrong. Obnoxious fans are par for the course at hockey games, and sometimes they even add to the fun, competitive atmosphere of the game (even if he has no idea what he is talking about).

But, here is the kicker. The girl that he had brought to the game with him was eating it up. She was loving every minute of his boorish behaviour. Even at one point when he was bragging about how he was going to get even more drunk and obnoxious. Needless to say, this only encouraged him to make even more of an ass of himself. If I had acted like this in public with my girlfriend, she probably wouldn't have even spoken to me for at least a week.

So here is the question: Has our society degraded to the point where this sort of behaviour is not only tolerated, but rewarded?

I'm not saying that I have a problem with the odd bit of rowdy fun, I am just saying that I don't believe that it should be encouraged by the fairer sex. Otherwise, more and more men will regress to "look at me I'm loud" kind of behaviour in order to try and impress women rather than the gentlemanly standard most of us here hold ourselves to.

**Artytheparty90** · 02-25-2009, 09:28 PM

I'm RIDICULOUSLY loud and I still can't get a date

But in all seriousness, I know what you mean. Drink as much as you'd like, but please don't have your own cheering section walking around commending you for handling your liquor so masterfully...

**Cheech** · 02-25-2009, 09:43 PM

I think the Simpsons provides a good comparison. When it started, it was a sharp criticism of laziness, sloth, and other non-virtues as well as corporate America (along with a list too long to write out).

Somewhere along the line; however, these vices came to be regarded with admiration. Now, Homer Simpson is a popular hero. I don't know if Matt Groenig has been interviewed recently, but I suspect that he is probably laughing and slightly sickened at what has become of his formerly stinging comedy.

Yes, we are doomed as a culture.

**GG1** · 02-25-2009, 09:50 PM

We're in a society now that caters to the lowest common denominator. In fact, tends to reward it.

**TimmyBoston** · 02-25-2009, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Giant

Gentlemen, I am dismayed. The other night, I attended a hockey game with my father (good win for the Oil by the way), and I couldn't believe what I found there. Sitting immediately behind us was one of those obnoxious drunkards who feels the need to let everyone around him know exactly what he is thinking. Don't get me wrong. Obnoxious fans are par for the course at hockey games, and sometimes they even add to the fun, competitive atmosphere of the game (even if he has no idea what he is talking about).

But, here is the kicker. The girl that he had brought to the game with him was eating it up. She was loving every minute of his boorish behaviour. Even at one point when he was bragging about how he was going to get even more drunk and obnoxious. Needless to say, this only encouraged him to make even more of an ass of himself. If I had acted like this in public with my girlfriend, she probably wouldn't have even spoken to me for at least a week.

So here is the question: Has our society degraded to the point where this sort of behaviour is not only tolerated, but rewarded?

I'm not saying that I have a problem with the odd bit of rowdy fun, I am just saying that I don't believe that it should be encouraged by the fairer sex. Otherwise, more and more men will regress to "look at me I'm loud" kind of behaviour in order to try and impress women rather than the gentlemanly standard most of us here hold ourselves to.

Why didn't you do this?

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz5AVYyj3gI[/YOUTUBE]

**blackfoot** · 02-25-2009, 10:13 PM

That is horribly brutal. I like it! We need to do this to more people. I am known for two quotes.
1) I never cease to be amazed and disgusted with human stupidity.
2) The only thing more dangerous than human stupidity is human stupidity in large numbers.

**HankG** · 02-25-2009, 10:23 PM

I'm pretty sure men have been getting drunk and acting like asses in order to impress women since the first man-ape stumbled on some fermented fruit.

**ClubmanRob** · 02-25-2009, 10:33 PM

... but it seems as a society we've gone from this being expected from teenagers and young adults to everyday societal acceptance. This is why I rarely go anywhere in public- not that I have a superiority complex, but when the guy in front of you at the convenience store with the t-shirt, khaki shorts, backwards ball cap, sandals and tattoos smells like he's been bathing in Budweiser and is screaming unintelligibly at the clerk because he stupidly lost his wallet- well, why is this commonplace?

When did we as a society just sit back and go "Ahh, screw it. I just don't give a shit" ?

**HankG** · 02-25-2009, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by ClubmanRob

When did we as a society just sit back and go "Ahh, screw it. I just don't give a shit" ?

Right about the time man-ape's grandson decided loin cloths should be replaced by short skirts, at which point man-ape told him to get off his lawn.

This is like the language thread that came up a while ago. Culture evolves and the older, as a whole, never approves of the younger. This is demonstrated fairly plainly by the fact that the society that the OP is referring to is different than the society of many of the people who have, and will, post to agree with him, showing that it is universal rather than societal.

Really, the original post isn't even commenting on the old vs. young issue. His main complaint seems to be the fact that the woman was enjoying the man's boorishness, and not the boorishness itself. To address that, there has always been women who like men acting that way. Furthermore, the only reason it is more of a problem than the man's behavior is because of the idea that women should be dainty, polite little things that should be at a higher moral plane than men. Quite simply, that is an antiquated idea that is rapidly fading along with its sister beliefs of female inferiority and that men are inherently good and it is through the influence of amoral women that we become low.

Rereading this, it might read as harsher than I intended. I meant the points I made, but the original post wasn't really worth getting excited about. It was just a prime example of the "gentlemanly standard" that is so highly regarded on the forum and which tweaks my ire so greatly.

**ScotchDave** · 02-25-2009, 11:37 PM

Maybe the drunk dude's date was a social masochist?

I am the younger generation and I can't stand it either, admittedly things are slightly better here in Ol' Blighty, but I hate loud drunk assholes.

**SRock** · 02-26-2009, 12:30 AM

It was a hockey game not a meeting of the minds. I mean, Hockey players can't even get it right. They are there to play ice hockey yet manage to get into fights all the time. When was the last time you were watching a professional fight and a hockey game broke out?

**Jasonian** · 02-26-2009, 12:42 AM

This thread reminds me of a certain movie..

**blades** · 02-26-2009, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by HankG

I'm pretty sure men have been getting drunk and acting like asses in order to impress women since the first man-ape stumbled on some fermented fruit.

and on galaxies far far away......

**SRock** · 02-26-2009, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by HankG

I'm pretty sure men have been getting drunk and acting like asses in order to impress women since the first man-ape stumbled on some fermented fruit.

Very likely. What's amazing is that in tens of thousands (possibly millions) of years we (as a society) haven't learned to teach our younglings the proper way to behave/act.

**paul.c** · 02-26-2009, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by jasonian

this thread reminds me of a certain movie..

+1

**D.Irving79** · 02-26-2009, 01:22 AM

ive given up on society. i live in my own little world. if i have to interact i do it as it would have been done 100 years ago.

i do refuse to lay my coat in a mess of mud and water for a woman though.

**SouthpawShavr** · 02-26-2009, 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by blackfoot

That is horribly brutal. I like it! We need to do this to more people. I am known for two quotes.
1) I never cease to be amazed and disgusted with human stupidity.
2) The only thing more dangerous than human stupidity is human stupidity in large numbers.

You are correct sir!

If you want to know why the country is going down the crapper, look no further than the people around you every day. Don't blame Bush, Congress, corporations, or any other nebulous boogey man. It's the average asshole who really isn't qualified to do anything.

The bottom is falling out because NOBODY knows how to run a business(like all those Ivy league MBA's on wall st. and running GM), build a decent product(GM again), provide customer service(every single company I've had to call), read a loan application, read a prospectus, or even balance their checkbook.

Also, it seems everyone will debase themselves as much as possible to get on TV. For every idiot who makes it on some crappy reality show, there are 10,000 people who went to that casting call and didn't make it who were just as obnoxious, but not as good looking.

We're screwed. I hate to say it. I wish it wasn't so. It's one of the reasons I made a point out of learning how to fight.

**JimBow** · 02-26-2009, 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by Jasonian

This thread reminds me of a certain movie..

Brought to you by Carl's Jr....

No, seriously though, I'm apart of the younger generation and I completely despise this type of behavior. It makes simple pleasures, such as going to the movies, a mission impossible. I mean, I can't even get through the previews without somebody being incredibly loud on the phone or just loud in general. I think society as a whole has been on a downward slide for quite some time.

**tarbush** · 02-26-2009, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by Giant

So here is the question: Has our society degraded to the point where this sort of behaviour is not only tolerated, but rewarded?

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Yes. Sadly, Yes.

**philamac** · 02-26-2009, 03:33 AM

The bloke at the hockey game was a nob. There have always been idiots like him.

But remember that you were in a stadium (pretty full I presume - does "oil" mean Edmonton Oilers) full of people who were not like that bloke, who were behaving appropriately and who would not have approved of this idiot's performance.

The press on this side of the pond love to report such stories and then tell us how society is falling apart (The Daily Mail seems to specialise in moral outrage). Take a look through the archives and similar stories have been run for hundreds of years.

The bloke was an arse, he may have woken up the next day and felt embarrassed and ashamed, or he may have been proud of what he did. But the majority of people are decent. So don't let this twit make you feel less good about your fellow man or woman.

And remember, your Team won the game