Shipping to Canada

[Rik]

Greetings All,

Please check out the new shipping policies to Canada in the BBDC FAQ. Specifically Phase 6: Shipping.

[Queen of Blades]

Is it just me, or is the link wrong?

[Mama Bear]

I am increasingly frustrated with shipping to Canada. I do it and am glad to do it, but why do they have to charge so much.....! Canada is closer to me than most of the States...

Bear Hugs,

Sue (Mama Bear)

[Queen of Blades]

I am increasingly frustrated with shipping to Canada. I do it and am glad to do it, but why do they have to charge so much.....! Canada is closer to me than most of the States...

Bear Hugs,

Sue (Mama Bear)

Just drive across the border, and ship the stuff, Sue. It probably costs less that way.

Or you could just offer door-to-door service.

[leesrazors]

Hi All: I ship to Canada almost daily. Anything from my site and all Simpson brushes can be shipped no problem!
Thank you,
Lee

[Rik]

Here's Canada Post's Policy as of 9-18-06 and is what was referenced in the confiscation of the cologne. The point was very clearly made that future decants would be confiscated as well. So it's UPS and FedEx only in the future.

[scarface]

I ordered a bottle of Le Male cologne from the states and it was promptly confiscated and "destroyed" which means one of their customs officers is smelling pretty darn nice.

[Suzuki]

You didn't hear this from me, but anyone shipping cologne or A/S may want to consider labelling the products as "Cosmetic Supplies" or "Cosmetic Samples".

I've done this and had vendors do this on several occasions without problems.

The funny thing is, I actually packed a parcel in front of the Canada Post attendant with a large bottle of A/S and she didn't blink an eye!

I'm not guaranteeing anything, YMMV, take this with a grain of salt and at your own peril, caveat emptor, etc. but, I'm just saying...

[vox_rox]

Yeah, I've ranted about this more than once, so I'm not going to go into it again here. I have first hand experience with our Customs and Excise nazis and their peculiar ways. Thank goodness that poeple like Lee's and Mama Bear's (and others) actually ship up here. In the long run, it's us that live here that pay the extra $$$ and/or never get our orders.

Viva NAFTA

On the other side of the coin, I've never had a problem with FedEx, it just costs a bit more.

Peace,

Pierre

[Rik]

You didn't hear this from me, but anyone shipping cologne or A/S may want to consider labelling the products as "Cosmetic Supplies" or "Cosmetic Samples".

I've done this and had vendors do this on several occasions without problems.

The funny thing is, I actually packed a parcel in front of the Canada Post attendant with a large bottle of A/S and she didn't blink an eye!

I'm not guaranteeing anything, YMMV, take this with a grain of salt and at your own peril, caveat emptor, etc. but, I'm just saying...

I'm afraid labeling packages in this manner have zero effect for packages from the US to Canada . A member received a package labeled as above and was charged $48 CDN for shipping and brokerage fees even though it was only $11 US to ship.

If the Canadian government refuses to ship decants via their postal service and tack on exorbitant fees to UPS and Fedex shipments I really don't know what to do that would not be breaking the law. It's frustrating, if the label isn't just so including having Canada in all upper case it gets rejected at the border. As another member concisely summed it up: "It really seems that (at least from the Canadian side) there is an attempt to dis-inhibit transactions/interactions between individuals." Sorry folks.

[Doc4]

Greetings All,

Please check out the new shipping policies to Canada in the BBDC FAQ. Specifically Phase 6: Shipping.

"Dangerous substance"?? I must have missed the Axe decant

but seriously ... sheesh what a bunch of idiots we have running things up here. Argh.

But I am right in assuming that decants still can come to Canada, but by courier, not mail?

[Sue]

Nothing is supposed to ship by air containing 'any' alcohol unless the shipper can prove the flashpoint threshold. That means no Priority Mail, and no First Class mail with USPS. I checked with international UPS and they say no thanks. I just called FedEx international (1.800.463.3339) and the flash point is 141 degrees F. Again with FedEx you have to prove the flash point. In the States it is federal law, not sure about others. The penalties are severe.

The right of inspection is held by the carriers, customs and also any commercial airlines that carry mail as freight.

Rik, the link is not working for me either.
Sue

[Dennis]

What about DHL? They seem to ship anything from my experiences...

Dennis

[Sue]

Dennis,
Good suggestion, I just called them. I was transferred to their HazMat ppl at 866.588.2002

I was told all carriers/forwarders are held to the same federal restrictions as the next guy. As far as shipping out of the country it is a definate NO as at some point it would have to be in the air.

So still no products containing alcohol will be shipped internationally by SCS, no exceptions. Those products with an alcohol content will continue to be shipped by ground but only domestically. Anything non-alcohol is not an issue. Sue

[Doc4]

Sucks to be me!

[Areler67]

I think it depend from states to states never saw a website who refused to ship AS or cologne....and what about people with suitcase with AS or cosmetics in it?
DHL and Deutsche post delivered AS to me without any problems....

[Sue]

I don't know about anyone else, maybe it wasn't known what was inside? I can only speak for myself and SCS. I know it is against the law. Those laws are part of our society and I will not knowingly break them.

For my business I'd love to ship them anywhere and everywhere. If you are really thinking of shipping these type items yourself you may wish to read some of the following articles first.
Sue

These concern some innocent hairspray, nailpolish and three, count 'em 3 Bic lighters and a few other misc. shipments:
.......
The Federal Aviation Administration
(FAA), Southern Region, has proposed to
assess a $60,000 civil penalty against
Dreamworks SKG of Glendale, CA, for
allegedly violating Department of
Transportation hazardous materials
regulations.
The FAA alleges that on April 25, 2002,
Dreamworks improperly offered a
fiberboard box containing three butane
lighters, which contain flammable gas,
to Federal Express (FedEx) for
transportation by air. Ground handling
employees at the FedEx sort facility in
Memphis, TN discovered the shipment
leaking.
.......................................
FAA Proposes $70,000 Penalty Against Aveda Esthetique for Hazmat Violations
The Federal Aviation Administration
(FAA), Southern Region, has proposed to
assess a $70,000 civil penalty against
Aveda Esthetique of McLean, VA, for
allegedly violating Department of
Transportation hazardous materials
regulations.
The FAA alleges that on November 26,
2000, Aveda Esthetique improperly
offered a fiberboard box containing 11,
5.5-ounce bottles of Aveda Exfoliant
and 17, 1.7-ounce containers of Aveda
Witch Hazel Hair Spray, both flammable
liquids, to United Parcel Service (UPS)
for transportation by air. Ground
handling employees at the UPS sort
facility in Louisville, KY, discovered
the shipment leaking.
.................................................. ....
FAA Proposes $220,000 Penalty Against Expert-Med for Hazmat Violations
The Federal Aviation Administration
(FAA), Southern Region, has proposed to
assess a $220,000 civil penalty against
Expert-Med, Inc. of Ormond Beach, FL,
for allegedly violating Department of
Transportation hazardous materials
regulations.
.................................................. .........
FAA Proposes $51,000 Penalty Against Nova Chemicals for Hazmat Violations

The Federal Aviation Administration
(FAA), Southern Region, has proposed to
assess a $51,000 civil penalty against
Nova Chemicals, Inc. of Monaca, PA, for
allegedly violating Department of
Transportation hazardous materials
regulations.
The FAA alleges that on February 22,
2002, Nova Chemicals improperly offered
a fiberboard box containing a five-
pound bag of polymeric beads, a
hazardous material, to United Parcel
Service (UPS) for transportation by
air. Ground handling employees at the
UPS sort facility in Louisville, KY,
discovered the shipment leaking.
.................................................. .
FAA Proposes $51,000 Penalty Against Tristar Corporation for Hazmat Violations
The Federal Aviation Administration
(FAA), Southern Region, has proposed to
assess a $51,000 civil penalty against
Tristar Corporation of San Antonio, TX,
for allegedly violating Department of
Transportation hazardous materials
regulations.
The FAA alleges that on December 18,
2000, Tristar improperly offered a
fiberboard box containing four spray
bottles and four aerosol cans of
perfumery products, all flammable
liquids, to United Parcel Service (UPS)
for transportation by air. Ground
handling employees at the UPS sort
facility in Louisville, KY, discovered
the shipment.
.................................................. ..........
The Federal Aviation Administration
(FAA), Southern Region, has proposed to
assess an $84,000 civil penalty against
Honeywell, Inc. of Phoenix, AZ, for
allegedly violating Department of
Transportation hazardous materials
regulations.
The FAA alleges that on March 25, 2001,
Honeywell improperly offered a
fiberboard box containing one fuel
control unit holding aviation fuel, a
flammable liquid, to United Parcel
Service (UPS) for transportation by
air. Ground handling employees at the
UPS sort facility in Louisville, KY,
discovered the shipment leaking.
.................................................. ........
FAA Proposes $53,550 Penalty Against Coty US for Hazmat Violations
The Federal Aviation Administration
(FAA), Southern Region, has proposed to
assess a $53,550 civil penalty against
Coty US LLC of New York, NY, for
allegedly violating Department of
Transportation hazardous materials
regulations.
The FAA alleges that on December 19,
2000, Coty improperly offered a
fiberboard box containing 27 two-ounce
glass bottles of perfume, a flammable
liquid, to Federal Express (FedEx) for
transportation by air. Ground handling
employees at the FedEx sort facility in
Atlanta, GA, discovered the shipment
leaking.
.................................................. ..........
The Federal Aviation Administration
(FAA), Southern Region, has proposed to
assess a $70,000 civil penalty against
Queen Nail & Beauty Supplies, Inc. of
Philadelphia, PA, for allegedly
violating Department of Transportation
hazardous materials regulations.
The FAA alleges that on June 5, 2001,
Queen Nail & Beauty improperly offered
a fiberboard box containing two 16-
ounce containers of primer and top coat
containing ethyl acetate, a flammable
liquid, to United Parcel Service (UPS)
for transportation by air. Ground
handling employees at the UPS sort
facility in Louisville, KY, discovered
the shipment leaking.
.................................................. ...........
FAA Proposes $84,000 Penalty Against West Virginia Corporation for Hazmat Violations
The Federal Aviation Administration,
Southern Region, has proposed to assess
an $84,000 civil penalty against The
Twin State Corp., Beauty and Barber
Supply of Hinton, WV., for allegedly
violating Department of Transportation
hazardous materials regulations.
The FAA alleges that on August 2, 2000,
Twin State improperly offered a
fiberboard box containing three 8.5-
ounce plastic bottles of styling spray,
a flammable liquid, and 12 9.25-ounce
aerosol containers of volume spray, a
flammable gas, to United Parcel Service
(UPS) for transportation by air. Ground
handling employees at the UPS sort
facility in Louisville, KY discovered
the shipment leaking.

[Tony Miller]

I've stayed out of the whole aftershave, etc....market ust for this reason. Even liquids of any type (strop dressing) are not favorites of our Postal system.

I notice that Classic Shaving had a disclaimer about aftershaves and UPS only right on their front page.

Tony

[Doc4]

In the past, I've ordered cologne & GF's perfume from Sephora w/out problem. Perhaps any merchants here who want to ship to Canada can ask Sephora how they manage that ... if they'll bother to tell you!

It does seem silly, though.

[Rik]

Nothing is supposed to ship by air containing 'any' alcohol unless the shipper can prove the flashpoint threshold. That means no Priority Mail, and no First Class mail with USPS. I checked with international UPS and they say no thanks. I just called FedEx international (1.800.463.3339) and the flash point is 141 degrees F. Again with FedEx you have to prove the flash point. In the States it is federal law, not sure about others. The penalties are severe.

The right of inspection is held by the carriers, customs and also any commercial airlines that carry mail as freight.

Rik, the link is not working for me either.
Sue

They moved the page. I updated the link to a pdf file that covers it on page 42.

Canada Post may accept items containing exempted
qualifying dangerous goods† subject to the following:
• The dangerous goods must meet all “Limited
Quantity” requirements as per the Transportation
of Dangerous Goods Act and Regulations,
including but not limited to, marking and
additional packaging requirements. Visit
www.canadapost.ca/cpg (Canada Postal Guide)
for further information

For me the bottom line is I've had too much product confiscated by the Canadian postal service to risk sending more.