Decision 2008

**ouch** · 06-05-2008, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by jazzman

Yeah, but Hillary's a quitter.

Gotta give BO credit for knocking off Shrillary. I would have lost a lot of money had I bet on that a year ago.

**King of Kailua** · 06-05-2008, 11:59 AM

This thread is crying out for a voting poll.

**77DX** · 06-05-2008, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Shane

(Prays the Rosary for this thread)

I think a novena may be the only hope for this thread.

Bob Barr is the only hope for this country. Whosis and whatsis are more of the same.

**analog_kid** · 06-05-2008, 12:30 PM

A lot of you don't know this, but I can see the future! Goes likes this:

Matt walks into voting booth on November 4th.
Matt looks at ballot options.
Matt stabs himself in the eye with sharp stick.

The end.

**JBHoren** · 06-05-2008, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by analog_kid

A lot of you don't know this, but I can see the future! Goes likes this:

Matt walks into voting booth on November 4th.
Matt looks at ballot options.
Matt stabs himself in the eye with sharp stick.

See the future? Not after stabbing yourself in the eye!!
Obviously, you live in a state which has not-yet embraced computerized voting machines.

**kongjie** · 06-05-2008, 01:16 PM

Silly peoples don't realize Cthulhu is, always has been and always will be president.

**castlecraver** · 06-05-2008, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by ouch

He's an empty suit.

Obama : Empty Suit :: McCain : ______

a) High-water slacks
b) Aqua green Leisure Suit
c) Nursing home gown
d) Full pair of Depends
e) all of the above

(just keepin' it light-hearted, folks. Y'all know where I stand.)

sullivanpm · 06-05-2008, 01:19 PM

**kongjie** · 06-05-2008, 01:25 PM

How did my response end up preceding your bumper sticker??

sullivanpm · 06-05-2008, 01:29 PM

Magic

**endcycle** · 06-05-2008, 01:49 PM

To those of you calling obama an empty suit - go read his policies. He actually declares them pretty openly and details them very well on his site, at LEAST as well as McCain and certainly in more detail than Clinton.

There are better reasons to dislike him - his politics are very much to the left of center, so if you lean to the right, you'll find many good reasons by reading his platform. There's substance there, and a lot of it - but it's substance that you'll likely dislike. :)

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ <-- there's a LOT there. Have fun reading. Dismissing him as an empty suit just shows that you're uninformed.

MOVING ALONG
I have a feeling the McCain campaign is a bit disappointed in this result. It would have been a lot easier to take out Hillary in the general election - just say the name "clinton" on the Rush Limbaugh show, and you've got 55 million people screaming to vote against her. :)

Personally, I'm a libertarian, so I doubt very strongly I would vote for either candidate at this point, but I will say that I'm disappointed in McCain. I was thrilled with him up until this last year and a half - I even voted for him in the 2000 primaries. He really seems to have changed and "sold his soul" - though how much of that was just an act to get through the primaries, I don't know. I think that AT THIS POINT, between the two, Obama's the better choice overall.

**soapbox** · 06-05-2008, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by endcycle

MOVING ALONG
I have a feeling the McCain campaign is a bit disappointed in this result. It would have been a lot easier to take out Hillary in the general election - just say the name "clinton" on the Rush Limbaugh show, and you've got 55 million people screaming to vote against her. :)

Yes, quite.

I will say that I'm disappointed in McCain. I was thrilled with him up until this last year and a half - I even voted for him in the 2000 primaries. He really seems to have changed and "sold his soul" - though how much of that was just an act to get through the primaries, I don't know. I think that AT THIS POINT, between the two, Obama's the better choice overall.

Neither "Mavericks" nor "Moderates" can make it through the primary process. You see a higher turnout of dogmatists and issue-voters during primary season, so the candidates must appeal to the extremists (making all sorts of sound bites that provide his/her opponent with ammunition) AND THEN race back to the center for the general election.

McCain has been shoring up his radical-right and Christian-right propers for the last couple of years, because it worked for Bush 43. McCain doesn't belong to a fundamentalist church so he has to get endorsements from fundamentalist pastors, and he has to speak at gender-segregated universities like Bob Jones, to assure the Republican majority that he's been Saved at least twice and believes in a God-given right to home ownership of multibarrel anti-aircraft weaponry.

The McCain who worked with Feingold on campaign finance reform has been absent until now. But I bet you'll see that more until November. McCain needs to appeal to the moderates or else he can't win the election.

My $0.02. And I won't appeal to my credentials as a Political Science PhD as evidence that I'm correct, because I don't study American Politics--that's my wife's field of study...

Jesse

**kwk285** · 06-05-2008, 02:21 PM

I am a defensive voter. In my opinion anybody that wants to be president is not qualified.

I will be voting for McCain because I feel that he will screw up less than Obama.

Neither candidate is qualified to be the dog catcher in my town.

**Bowcephalus** · 06-05-2008, 02:31 PM

In my tea I prefer lemon. In my government, gridlock.

**soapbox** · 06-05-2008, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Bowcephalus

In my tea I prefer lemon. In my government, gridlock.

So did your Founding Fathers.

sullivanpm · 06-05-2008, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Bowcephalus

In my tea I prefer lemon. In my government, gridlock.

amen brother
That way at least they aren't screwing us.

**endcycle** · 06-05-2008, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by kwk285

I am a defensive voter. In my opinion anybody that wants to be president is not qualified.

I will be voting for McCain because I feel that he will screw up less than Obama.

Neither candidate is qualified to be the dog catcher in my town.

The alternative corollary by my dad is this: Anyone smart enough to do a good job in a political office is also smart enough to stay the hell out of politics.

Obama seems to be an exceptionally smart guy though, which DOES make me wonder just wtf he's doing in politics instead of the private sector.

**Bowcephalus** · 06-05-2008, 02:49 PM

which DOES make me wonder just wtf he's doing in politics instead of the private sector.

Funny, that......

**homebrewer** · 06-05-2008, 02:52 PM

I don't care if they're dead, I'm voting for George Patton and his running mate Charlton Heston....

Seriously though, I don't really like either of them particularly. At least Clinton is gone though. As bad as the current two are, she was the most evil of the three as far as I'm concerned....