Plisson new style vs old style?
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I would have thought it was just a handle change. I didn't think there was any change in the knot design.
I actually have both coming, I wanted to get them both, the older and newer style before they were all gone. I think the older one has a heftier handle and a more fan shape to the knot, the newer one has a more bulb shaped knot. Ive heard the newer one splays a bit easier as well. These are only a few things Ive heard, I dont have the two brushes yet so I cant give my own comments on this. I do plan on getting The Grooming Co. brush as well, but pumped the brakes on that one because of a review I saw, I guess there is a glue bump inside that can be felt, not sure if there all that way or not. The Grooming Co. brushes also have a shorter loft and more backbone, alot of people may prefer these over the Plisson, but Im not sure if Im one of them, I just decided to go with the two Plisson first as everyday there getting closer to extinct and really wanted to compare them to each other. Also have plans to take the Plisson knots from one I like the best and then put it in a nice custom handle.
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I'm not noticing a difference in the knot or the handle, but then again I'm not an expert on brushes by any means. The one on the left has been used, the one on the right is NIB.
Might not be much of a difference, Ill know more when I get mine. You can watch a couple videos on youtube comparing them if you would like. Heres one from shavebusta- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSMinJP2hK4
I have both. The Plisson handle is solid wood while the L'occtaine is foam core. The knot seems very similar if not the same. The only, barely perceptible (if at all, or maybe I'm imagining it) is the the Plisson knot seems flatter and less bulb like. But it honestly may be that I've used the Licctaine more, it's broken in and it splays more.
Here TSE says not much. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NthokeGa4pI
Ive heard about the differences on them a few times now, figured I would just find out for myself and get em both. Just got to wait for them to get here now.
Ive heard about the differences on them a few times now, figured I would just find out for myself and get em both. Just got to wait for them to get here now.
I didn't notice any difference, at all, really when I had both.
I posted a poll on this a while ago:
http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php/443690-Poll-for-quality-of-Plisson-L-Occitane
Based on that poll, 0/22 had problems with the Plisson while 9/53 had some problem with the Plisson Pour L'Occitane. So there definitely seems to be a difference in the quality. Many of the users of the latter that responded have new brushes so they may not have had enough time with it to see problems.
http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php/443690-Poll-for-quality-of-Plisson-L-Occitane
Based on that poll, 0/22 had problems with the Plisson while 9/53 had some problem with the Plisson Pour L'Occitane. So there definitely seems to be a difference in the quality. Many of the users of the latter that responded have new brushes so they may not have had enough time with it to see problems.
I have both and only difference I see is the Plisson only handle is a lighter color wood with more distinct graining while the loccitane handle is a dark brown almost black wood. I haven't had any issues with either. I have 3 new in box Plisson handle brushes that I'm holding onto as they may become collectors items.
I read here on B&B about a week ago, someone who works with brushes all the time said the older one has the knot glued in better than the newer one. Also the wood handle on the older one is a better wood more dense where as the newer one is just beechwood. Also the knot on the older one is more dense.
That is why the price dropped from $55.00 to $30.00. It is not made as well.
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That is why the price dropped from $55.00 to $30.00. It is not made as well.
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I weighed both and the Plisson is notably heavier. 66 vs 88 grams if I remember. Feels denser and heavier, too. Makes sense, the L'occtaine has a foam core, and I hear the Plisson version is solid wood.
The old version had slightly more backbone. I have both.
The L'Occtaine one may not be made as good as the first Plisson one but it's still a good deal at $30.00.
+1
It's a really inexpensive way to get a taste of the fantastic Plisson knot. And if it falls apart L'Occitane stands behind it (refund or replacement), so there's really no loss.
As 'anoop' said on his other thread, "Looks like when they redesigned the handle, they compromised quality. That's probably why they dropped the price, and they will either redesign it and raise the price, or discontinue it."
I agree with that.
I agree with that.
I have cut many of these apart and noticed that the ones marked as Plisson only are made from a dense, dark colored wood and the ones marked with Plisson pour L'Occitane is made from a light colored wood, probably beech wood - which is also dense, but not as dense as the dark colored wood.
Also, the knots of the Plissons is set totally in glue while the L'Occitanes often barely touch the glue (looks and feels like hot melt glue).
This might be the reason that the L'Occitane knots often fall out.
Also, the knots of the Plissons is set totally in glue while the L'Occitanes often barely touch the glue (looks and feels like hot melt glue).
This might be the reason that the L'Occitane knots often fall out.
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May be for naught. Was at the mall, stopped in Locctaine to see what they have. Gone. Sales lady said they have been discontinued, only travel brush remains. Checked website, only travel brush listed..
Pure speculation here...
I think the bad glue causes leakage into the handle before the knot actually falls out. Because of this, the handle is essentially wasted and can't be reused.
I think the problem is they just used the wrong glue. A hot glue like type is not going to have good adhesion like a stronger epoxy would. They just should have used a different glue and it then they wouldnt fall out like they do. Really though not a big problem, doesnt turn me off to the brush at all, easy fix, just glue it back in with a better epoxy, or get a different/nicer handle while your at it and re install it into that. I might actually get one of these, gonna try and get the older style if I can. Thinking about just going with a better Rosewood or Briar wood Plisson right from their site but I kind of like the idea of after some time just having a custom handle made for the knot. Just really wish I would have got one of these months ago for $30 instead of paying a premium for one now.
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