Notched #19?

imatabor · Dec 20, 2014

I know hardly anything about British OC Crats but here are pictures I lifted off the bay of what I think is a #19 but I thought the #19 has an unnotched center bar. It has a flat bottom plate like the #19 but the lack of wings is throwing me off.

Help educate me.

nuclearblast · Dec 20, 2014

Are you sure it's gold? Could be bad light conditions/poor photographic skills or both.

Might be a silver #15.

tonich · Dec 20, 2014

I haven't seen one like that myself.
I have the silver version of this same razor, but I can guarantee the handle never look this reddish, under any light conditions.
Unless the handle has severely brassing...

Here is mine:

This one is taken with flasher:

imatabor · Dec 20, 2014

I contacted the seller and he said it is gold with patient number 400,621

Also the British chart says that the #15 is unnotch.

nuclearblast · Dec 20, 2014

imatabor said:
I contacted the seller and he said it is gold with patient number 400,621

Also the British chart says that the #15 is unnotch.

The rhodium #15 is, the 1936 silver version is notched.

Could be an earlier version of the #19, I have no idea.

nuclearblast · Dec 20, 2014

That chart also has some wrong info. 1936 #2 and #3 sets were also notched as the silver #15, and their bottom plates are flat as the #15 too, not diamond stamped.

The Populars aren't rhodium plated, nor the #58... there's probably more.

tonich · Dec 20, 2014

imatabor said:
I contacted the seller and he said it is gold with patient number 400,621

Also the British chart says that the #15 is unnotch.

Yes, but #15 has wings on the center bar.
Just like mine, the razor you pasted has no wings on the center bar. I believe they the same, except for the plating.

nuclearblast said:
Could be an earlier version of the #19, I have no idea.

That's what I'm thinking too. :thumbup1:

eastomjac · Dec 20, 2014

british popular #46?

tonich · Dec 20, 2014

eastomjac said:
british popular #46?

Nope!
Look at the handle! OP shows aristocrat barber pole handle.

armybuck041 · Dec 20, 2014

Here's mine. Bonafide #19.

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nuclearblast · Dec 20, 2014

This is much more accurate info, although here also says the #1,#2 and #3 are unnotched, but links to a notched razor ... the #1 at least, which is the silver version I was talking about.

http://wiki.badgerandblade.com/Numbered_British_Gillette_Information

eastomjac · Dec 20, 2014

tonich said:
Nope!
Look at the handle! OP shows aristocrat barber pole handle.

sure enough.i looked up the pat#.yet another interesting find.

imatabor · Dec 20, 2014

eastomjac said:
british popular #46?

This one looks like my Sheraton. My Popular has a Barber pole handle.

The one on the left is a 36' Crat.

nuclearblast · Dec 20, 2014

The pre '39 Popular have a Senator-like knurling. Mine is a post '39 model like yours, John.

Bostrin · Dec 20, 2014

The razor shown in Post 3 and the razor called a #1 linked to in the B&B wiki each have an unnotched center bar. I thought the notch refers to bit cut out of each side of the center bar so that the blade can be inserted onto the center bar without touching the blade. The #16 has notches.

The razors with wings on the center bar, such as the 15 & 21 do not have notches on the center bar.

Looking at the photo OP has posted, there may actually be wings on the center bar (need a shot just looking at the head from the side, or the top) as are present on #10's very nice #19

nuclearblast · Dec 20, 2014

Bostrin said:
The razor shown in Post 3 and the razor called a #1 linked to in the B&B wiki each have an unnotched center bar. I thought the notch refers to bit cut out of each side of the center bar so that the blade can be inserted onto the center bar without touching the blade. The #16 has notches.

The razors with wings on the center bar, such as the 15 & 21 do not have notches on the center bar.

Looking at the photo OP has posted, there may actually be wings on the center bar (need a shot just looking at the head from the side, or the top) as are present on #10's very nice #19

And right you are, Sir. Actually I was missing that little detail about the straight center bar of the #1, #2 and #3 sets. No other razor has a center bar like these, that I've seen at least.

However, from that picture in the OP, I still think it doesn't have the wings. The picture is not very clear though.

Bostrin · Dec 20, 2014

Yes, the pictures are unclear; only the second one is helpful. I think the razor has wings b/c if you see the shiny part of the second pic what looks like the edge of something, either a wing or a center bar. But look where it is, appears off center. If that edge were the center bar, it would appear to be in the middle of the razor, if not it would seem to be the edge of a wing, which would be off center. Of course, a clearer pic would make this academic.

imatabor · Dec 20, 2014

In about 2 weeks I can give you all the pictures you want :001_rolle

nuclearblast · Dec 20, 2014

imatabor said:
In about 2 weeks I can give you all the pictures you want

2 of these in two days, now that's a boycott. :lol:

matt71 · Dec 20, 2014

The one I'm waiting on doesn't have wings on the center bar either.

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