+1That's not even remotely true.
+1That's not even remotely true.
Www.danielgeorgecustomsuits.com
Here is the guy I found, there are many similar. It isn't truly bespoke as I understand the term, but I feel it would end up better than a tailored OTR choice.
I'm just a bit gunshy I guess. First time I bought suits was a Mens Wearhouse BOGo deal. They were ok, but the tailor wasn't great and I never loved them.
Second time I bought, I took to what was supposed to be a reputable tailor and she literally made them unwearable. So I have 1 bad and 1 meh experience with suit buying. I'd like to go for at least "good" this time! With The information provided, I think I will get at least that far.
That's not even remotely true.
Ok, reasons? Made-to-measure provides most of the same advantages at 1/4 the cost or less. Everything I've seen about pricing on true bespoke suits puts them at $3,000-$10,000 or more. You're talking about multiple visits and fittings during the process. It's very intensive. Now, why is this worth it unless, as I said:
1) You have an odd body shape that makes MTM or OTR non-options
2) You have a large amount of disposable income and can afford to drop enough cash to buy a used car on what boils down to a "suiting experience".
Even a lot of quality MTM suits can be out of the price range of your upper-middle-income suit enthusiast (Figure $1,000/suit) if you try an get fancy with custom options.
I'm just unequivocally rebutting that bespoke only offers advantages to odd body types or people with more money than sense, which is hideously bad advice.
Everything I've read about that advises people that there's no real reason for a true bespoke suit unless you have some weird body shape or simply have a lot of disposable income.
I didn't say "more money than sense", I said "large amount of disposable income". For the vast majority of the population the MTM suit will be perfectly good and the finer details you mention can be adjusted by a tailor in person, or are marginal and probably not worth the extra $2,000-8,000+ unless (drum roll) you have a large amount of disposable income. Personally I'd love to have a bespoke suit made, I'm not knocking the process. I said the OP should not seek out bespoke, I didn't mean to say anyone although I guess it could read that way. Sending him down the bespoke money hole when his budget is $500 is just, as you put it, hideously bad advice.
EDIT:
To illustrate my point better: Would your average guy with a $5,000 suit budget and zero suits be better off with 1 bespoke suit, or 3-5 MTM suits + tailoring? I'd argue the latter. If you already have a decent suit arsenal and find yourself with $5,000 to drop on a suit, then bingo, might be worth looking at bespoke. I would absolutely qualify that person as someone with lots and lots of disposable income though.
Can you explain your reasoning for that last bit Graham? That is a dilemma I have. Buy 1 of the nicest suit I could afford and add shirts ties for variety, or buy 2 lesser suits, which would offer more variety, but lower quality.
I tend to think at this point, after trying multiple low quality and not being happy, I'm thinking if trying 1 real quality suit and not caring if it I wear the same suit every Sunday.
The quote above is pretty blanket and doesn't appear to single out the particular poster. And I specifically said I wasn't giving advice to the OP, so I don't see how it could be hideously bad.
Again, to be clear, I wasn't saying your advice was bad, I was just using your words for another point. As for the blanket quote, you edited out the only time where I said one should unequivocally not buy bespoke, and that was referencing the OP.
Plus the comfort, both mental and physical, of having it fit is priceless.
This a point that I think doesn't get stressed enough. Every suit thread here stresses how good proper fit looks, but a proper fitting suit is also comfortable. If a suit fits, one can wear it all day long and never feel uncomfortable.
I have a suspicion that the reason so many men hate wearing suits/ties is that they were uncomfortable, because it didn't fit.
In reality it's nearly always a too-small collar.
I personally get more enjoyment and utility out of a nicer item. Plus the comfort, both mental and physical, of having it fit is priceless.
If you get a subdued navy or charcoal suit, you can make a million different looks out of shirts and ties. The suit isn't nearly as limiting as it may seem.
This is spot on and I try and get this point across to my friends whenever it comes up. They can kind of get that suits can be comfortable, but there's this deep seated meme that ties squeeze your neck. In reality it's nearly always a too-small collar.