This thread is heading to Unpleasantville but fast! I'm going to lock it now, at least until tomorrow, and hopefully by then get some feedback between the Moderators about what to ultimately do with this thread.
So let's let this subject rest for the evening, and see if things aren't a bit calmer in the morning.
So now it's Friday afternoon and all of a sudden this thread is a lot shorter. There may have been a few baby-like objects tossed out with the bathwater, but methinks that's the better way to go about it. To explain this to those who come along later (and to hopefully keep people out of the same minefield) the overview was that Joel gave some negative opinions of some razors he had from Robert Williams, and of his dealings with Mr. Williams, who responded with an opposing point of view.
Fair enough, other members had more favourable things to say about their RW razors.
We here at B&B enjoy seeing discussion of custom razor makers' skills, to help our members decide both whether or not a custom straight (costing hundreds of dollars and perhaps over a thousand sometimes) is something that they are truly interested in, and from whom they should purchase it. Of course, the thing about custom straights is that by their nature they are an artisnal product, produced in small numbers by craftsmen who are very much real people just like you and me who take pride in their work and who can feel slighted when they and their work is criticised. This, of course, makes open and frank discussions of their work more difficult in terms of avoiding personal remarks and offense being taken (both by artisan and by reviewer.) Some of that may have occurred here.
I have never had personal dealings with Mr. Williams, nor have I ever held or seen one of his razors in person (although I have seen a couple of his custom scale jobs.) I am acting as a Moderator here, and am taking pains not to offer an opinion as to who was right or wrong in the discussion that has been deleted. Suffice it to say that the discussion was heading nowhere good, and needed to be dealt with.
We have decided to re-open this thread, in the hope that things have cooled off now, and that we can have a polite and gentlemanly discussion about custom straight razors. And let's stay clear of the issues regarding the deleted discussion. If this thread goes downhill again, it will be locked again, and most likely deleted entirely, which would be a shame.
Last edited by Doc4; 04-11-2008 at 05:17 PM.
Reason: unlocking thread after cooling off period and pruning
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