Last two shaves I used an Old Type with a Feather. I used the steep angle method. I think it works great with an Old Type.
Last two shaves I used an Old Type with a Feather. I used the steep angle method. I think it works great with an Old Type.
Me too! However because of some advice I received in another thread, I have now tried Shallow and steep, and couldn't really tell much of a difference. View attachment 501587
I only use the steep angle with the R41 and my 39C.
Other than those two, the steep angle isn't good for me.
Thanks for posting this Edgar. I read it about 6 weeks ago and it has changed the way I shave, for the better. I guess because of the YMMV "rule", I am a steep shaver. It just seems to agree with my face. I have been trying this with a shimmed Old Type and a RR Little Bastone. Both provide an irritation free DFS with just a couple of passes.
My SC and LC New are fine using a shallow angle(steep just doesn't work) but they don't have the feel and efficiency of a more aggressive razor using a steep angle.
Great sticky for something that almost seems too obvious but was super helpful to me.
PS. It has also fired up a new case of RAD. The 2013 R41 is on route and I'm fighting a terrible urge to acquire a FaTip. They really aren't that expensive on the BST and someone probably has one just laying around...
TI'm fighting a terrible urge to acquire a FaTip. They really aren't that expensive on the BST and someone probably has one just laying around...
At how many degrees is it considered steep? 75 degrees? Measured from the back of the blade to the skin?
Shawn, probably 75° is a good guess, considering that the standard angle is ± 30°.
It depends on the razor too. IME no razor will go as steep as the R41 for example, others work better with a very shallow angle, less than the "standard" 30°.
As you know, measuring these angles accurately would be a difficult task. This was meant to show the difference between shallow and steep, in a very simple way, as there was a lot of confusion. Apparently now we're all on the same page.
Are you experimenting with something?
Yup ... doesn't seem to have enough blade exposure to come even close to a R41 steep angle. It has a big gap, but without drawing any lines, just by looking at the picture, the exposure seems small, I might be wrong though.I was looking at Jinx18's photo of his LA BBS-1 and measuring its angle with some software. It looks like about 40 degrees ... which I guess is steeper than most, but not "steep".
The software is the opensource GNU Image Manipulation Program (GIMP). It takes some getting used to, but you can zoom in on a photo such as this and draw the tangent and then measure the angle pretty precisely.
This is interesting, Edgar. I'll try it with my Progress on 5 today.
Now the R41, with the stock cap and even using the shallowest angle possible, the cutting angle is 38,23 degrees:
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Using the steepest angle allowed by the blade exposure, this angle increases to 50.75 degrees:
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The 3D printed Spitfire cap increases the blade exposure even more, which allows an even steeper angle, at 55.99 degrees:
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These three photos explain things better than thousands of words.
Thanks so much for doing these! Clearly ... we need more razor photos!
Cheers!
Shawn