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    I just started DE Wetshaving about a 2 months now. My father-in-law uses a brush and soap but has always used a cartridge razor. i thought a good present for his birthday would be a nice vintage DE razor. I picked up a 1950 superspeed off eBay with a case. I want to give him some kind of instructions along with the razor, so that he dosent do it wrong and give up immediately. He would never get online to do his own research. He is the type that only uses the computer to do taxes and that is it.

    I know there are great tutorials here that i could print out, but i was hoping for a brief guide that would look good printed, not like something i printed from a website.

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    I'd say that you could include some specifics.

    Think of a tri-fold.

    Cover: Welcome to Traditional Wetshaving!
    Fold 1-2.5: Building a Great Lather
    Fold 2.5-3: Proper Blade Angle/Technique
    Back: Good Luck + list of websites for products and resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mockett View Post
    I'd say that you could include some specifics.

    Think of a tri-fold.

    Cover: Welcome to Traditional Wetshaving!
    Fold 1-2.5: Building a Great Lather
    Fold 2.5-3: Proper Blade Angle/Technique
    Back: Good Luck + list of websites for products and resources.
    Add an insert (Sticky) "Kyle's pre-shave prep." It's a MUST...the Great Lather, the proper blade angle and products and resources aren't anything without softening those nasty whiskers!
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    Ive started putting the content, borrowing from here and there.
    i will also put my sources on the back.
    Im going for an document that is opinion free so ive done some edits to original texts.


    Heres what ive gotten so far...


    PRE-SHAVE-PREP

    If you want a clean shave, you need to prep your beard
    adequately. The goal during beard prep is to soften your whiskers so shaving is easier and causes less irritation. The best way to soften your beard is to to shave right when you get out of the shower. The hot water from your shower should hydrate and soften your beard enough for shaving. If you haven’t showered, at least wet your beard with some hot water. A hot towel is a great way to soften your beard. Use hot water from the tap and “refresh” the towel in the sink bowl every 30-45 seconds until having reached the 2-3 minute mark.

    The shave. Unlike shaving with cartridge razors, shaving with a safety razor actually requires some skill and technique. Once mastered, though, you should be shaving effectively in no time. The four keys to a successful shave with a safety razor are
    1) use as little pressure as possible;
    2) angle the blade as far away from your face as possible;
    3) shave with the grain; and
    4) go for beard reduction, not beard removal.
    This will take some getting used to if you have used cartridges your entire life. You don’t need to use pressure because the weight of the safety razor is sufficient to cut your beard. If you press down, you’ll end up hacking up your face. To help counter the tendency to apply pressure, try holding the razor by the tip of the handle.

    THE SHAVE

    After preping your beard, fill the sink with hot water and let your shaving brush soak in it. Splash some more hot water on your face to keep it wet. The key to wetshaving is keeping your face wet throughout the shave, so the blade never comes in contact with dry skin.

    Remove your brush from the water, hold it bristles-down, and give it a slight shake to get rid of the excess water. You want some water in the brush to make good lather, but not so much water that your lather turns out thin and runny.

    Open your tub of shaving cream, scoop out about a nickel-sized dollop of cream with your finger, and place it on the wet tips of your brush's bristles. Some guys swirl the brush and cream in a mug or bowl to build up their lather, while others just cup their other hand and build up the lather in that.



    Once you've lathered your face and neck, stand your brush up on the counter and pick up your razor. you will need to maintain the right blade angle, shooting for a blade angle of approximately 30 degress -- not so shallow the blade misses the whiskers, and not so high you scrape your skin instead of shave it clean. It may take a shave or seven before you get this down, but once you do you'll be amazed at how close a single-blade razor can shave without pulling on your whiskers and burning your skin like modern multi-blades do.

    At first, you want to shave with the direction your whiskers grow. A With-the-Grain (WTG) pass will get rid of most visible stubble without irritating your skin.

    If you can't shave against the grain without irritation, try an Across-the-Grain pass -- in most cases, you'll approach that baby's-butt smoothness without any of the razor burn that a S-N pass gives most guys. -- If you want a shave that feels baby's butt smooth to the touch, wet your face again, lather up again, and shave very lightly upward against the grain. Just do it as lightly as possible and only do it for one pass, if it doesnt feel good, then DONT DO IT!.

    Once you're done shaving, rinse your face with cold water to close the pores, and thoroughly rinse your razor and shaving brush of lather. Shake your brush a few times to dry it, wipe it gently on your towel, and stand it on its handle to finish drying. This will let the bristles air-dry without damaging them, so your brush will last 20 years or more.

    Pat, don't rub, your face dry with a clean towel, and finish up with a good non-alcohol-based after-shave or moisturizer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by verminaard510 View Post
    Ive started putting the content, borrowing from here and there.
    i will also put my sources on the back.
    Im going for an document that is opinion free so ive done some edits to original texts.


    Heres what ive gotten so far...


    PRE-SHAVE-PREP

    If you want a clean shave, you need to prep your beard
    adequately. The goal during beard prep is to soften your whiskers so shaving is easier and causes less irritation. The best way to soften your beard is to to shave right when you get out of the shower. The hot water from your shower should hydrate and soften your beard enough for shaving. If you haven’t showered, at least wet your beard with some hot water. A hot towel is a great way to soften your beard. Use hot water from the tap and “refresh” the towel in the sink bowl every 30-45 seconds until having reached the 2-3 minute mark.

    The shave. Unlike shaving with cartridge razors, shaving with a safety razor actually requires some skill and technique. Once mastered, though, you should be shaving effectively in no time. The four keys to a successful shave with a safety razor are
    1) use as little pressure as possible;
    2) angle the blade as far away from your face as possible;
    3) shave with the grain; and
    4) go for beard reduction, not beard removal.
    This will take some getting used to if you have used cartridges your entire life. You don’t need to use pressure because the weight of the safety razor is sufficient to cut your beard. If you press down, you’ll end up hacking up your face. To help counter the tendency to apply pressure, try holding the razor by the tip of the handle.

    THE SHAVE

    After preping your beard, fill the sink with hot water and let your shaving brush soak in it. Splash some more hot water on your face to keep it wet. The key to wetshaving is keeping your face wet throughout the shave, so the blade never comes in contact with dry skin.

    Remove your brush from the water, hold it bristles-down, and give it a slight shake to get rid of the excess water. You want some water in the brush to make good lather, but not so much water that your lather turns out thin and runny.

    Open your tub of shaving cream, scoop out about a nickel-sized dollop of cream with your finger, and place it on the wet tips of your brush's bristles. Some guys swirl the brush and cream in a mug or bowl to build up their lather, while others just cup their other hand and build up the lather in that.



    Once you've lathered your face and neck, stand your brush up on the counter and pick up your razor. you will need to maintain the right blade angle, shooting for a blade angle of approximately 30 degress -- not so shallow the blade misses the whiskers, and not so high you scrape your skin instead of shave it clean. It may take a shave or seven before you get this down, but once you do you'll be amazed at how close a single-blade razor can shave without pulling on your whiskers and burning your skin like modern multi-blades do.

    At first, you want to shave with the direction your whiskers grow. A With-the-Grain (WTG) pass will get rid of most visible stubble without irritating your skin.

    If you can't shave against the grain without irritation, try an Across-the-Grain pass -- in most cases, you'll approach that baby's-butt smoothness without any of the razor burn that a S-N pass gives most guys. -- If you want a shave that feels baby's butt smooth to the touch, wet your face again, lather up again, and shave very lightly upward against the grain. Just do it as lightly as possible and only do it for one pass, if it doesnt feel good, then DONT DO IT!.

    Once you're done shaving, rinse your face with cold water to close the pores, and thoroughly rinse your razor and shaving brush of lather. Shake your brush a few times to dry it, wipe it gently on your towel, and stand it on its handle to finish drying. This will let the bristles air-dry without damaging them, so your brush will last 20 years or more.

    Pat, don't rub, your face dry with a clean towel, and finish up with a good non-alcohol-based after-shave or moisturizer.
    If you're in your first few weeks of medical school, I hope you don't write surgery textbooks-- some important details have been "glossed" over.

    Example...I've been wet-shaving with a DE and soap/brush since early seventies. This is the first time someone's told me to use a non-alcohol aftershave. Damn! There goes my Clubman or my Bay Rum!! When I soften my beard with a hot towel, should I do this with or without first putting soap on my face? Is it really true that the hot water from the shower should hydrate my beard sufficiently for shaving? Because it doesn't work for me. (YMMV)

    What if I have a cake of soap? Can I use a brush to make that? If so, I'll have a hard time scooping out a dollop of it.

    Does S-N always mean ATG? Just checking...because on my face it doesn't necessarily.

    Nice section on pressure, though...just wondering how the blade angle thing is described...I'm a little unclear on that as a "newbie" to your method. VERY good point about beard reduction. Kudos on that.

    I don't know what kind of equipment to use, but I do know how to make my brush last 20 years or more. Should I get a good blade or something from the drugstore?

    What should I do with my razor to clean it after shaving? How often will I need to change my blade as a newbie?


    Just curious-- I've been doing a lot of this "all wrong" for 30 years or more!
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    Did I detect a bit of sacrcasm there?

    That is just a draft from text i took from here and there, i appreciate the constructive criticism on the content. I really could never put together this type of thing without editors

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    It's a decent idea. I am very interested to see how it goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by verminaard510 View Post
    Did I detect a bit of sacrcasm there?

    That is just a draft from text i took from here and there, i appreciate the constructive criticism on the content. I really could never put together this type of thing without editors
    No sarcasm at all-- pamphletizing the collective wisdom of B&B is like taking the complete works of J.S. Bach, popularizing 2 minutes of one selection, presenting it on Americal Idol, then finally watching a 10 second clip of it at the end of the show. Then taking the selection and saying "You now know enough to sit in with the Chicago Symphony string section."

    Or taking the Bible and saying: "In the beginning God created, and then there was this flood, then these guys came out of Israel, then Jesus was born, died, and we have Easter and Christmas and sometime this will all be over. The end." We can't do that without losing some of the meat in the middle.

    There's no need for a pamphlet...not being sarcastic.

    To me, a pamphlet is like the typical discussion "I can shave in 15 minutes, and you?" I could probably shave in 15 minutes, but I'd rather do it in 40 minutes to enjoy the experience.

    Wet shaving is like walking or riding a bike along a beautiful country road on a perfect day with nowhere else to go, while a mile away people whiz by at 70 MPH along a sterile interstate, in a hurry to get to a job they can't stand anyway.

    So why would you take these things and make it accessible? Why go to the work? If you can find the information in just one weekend, digging through archives and stickies, why couldn't someone else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ltltony View Post
    It's a decent idea. I am very interested to see how it goes.
    Why is it a decent idea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Gillette View Post
    So why would you take these things and make it accessible? Why go to the work? If you can find the information in just one weekend, digging through archives and stickies, why couldn't someone else?
    Because most people don't even know that this site, and sites like it, exists. I believe the OP is about putting together a short pamphlet to help inform people who are interested in traditional DE wetshaving, while not providing an education.

    I would keep the pamphlet to prep, lather, and angle/pressure technique. That would make a tidy little pamphlet.

    And I think it is a good idea because some people need to be given a starting point. It's like getting into a pool at the shallows rather than jumping into the deep end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mockett View Post
    Because most people don't even know that this site, and sites like it, exists. I believe the OP is about putting together a short pamphlet to help inform people who are interested in traditional DE wetshaving, while not providing an education.

    I would keep the pamphlet to prep, lather, and angle/pressure technique. That would make a tidy little pamphlet.

    And I think it is a good idea because some people need to be given a starting point. It's like getting into a pool at the shallows rather than jumping into the deep end.
    How would this pamphlet be better than Wikipedia in explaining what Wetshaving is? I just don't understand where and how it would be published.

    We, as a community, have our hands full agreeing on the essentials of our craft--and we STILL don't always-- there are the DE people and the Straight folks, soap people/cream people Derby vs. Dorco people, etc.

    My problem is that putting "some" information out there, even in encapsulating form, is tantamount to putting wrong information out there.

    It's easy to do with recipes and cooking, because the amount if information is manageable. If you want to put a recipe out there next to the Pillsbury flour so that people can make snickerdoodles, have at it. But if you want to put something out there telling people how to build, staff and run a bakery, you might not find a pamphlet the best vehicle for this.

    My personal feeling (IMHO) Wet shaving requires a large range of skills and equipment, as well as experience, to know which techniques work for which face and which whiskers.

    Is someone going to hand these out on the street, or put them in Walmar next to the Personna blades? If not, why not just say "Hey! Check out Badger and Blade!"
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    I think you're reading a bit too far into this. I thought this was a neat idea because instead of going to someone and saying "Here, go to these links and read all this stuff." I could hand them a tri-fold and say, "Take a look at that. If you think it's neat, go to some of the informative websites listed on the back."

    I don't think putting a little pamphlet together is tantamount to spreading misinformation, especially if it's put together right.

    I mean, it's just a pamphlet. If anyone thinks that a pamphlet is the height of educational material when you hand it to them, they're not your target audience.

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    If there were no need for this pamphlet, i wouldn't be making it. I'm making it for personal reasons. Like i said, I'm giving a razor as a gift to my father-in-law (who has been using a brush and soap with a cartridge razor for all his adult life...he's 56) and I'd like to set him off in the right direction.
    I don't want to hand him a stack of paper printed from a website to read, just something simple like a pamphlet. Its very do able. He would never do research on this subject, maybe if i give him a short guide he might look it over. If the guys here want to check it out and possibly use it too for whatever, they can have it.

    The information I will include would be hopefully enough when compared to what a son learned from his father on the subject before there was a badgerandblade.com to research it at.
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    If your father-in-law is 56, he probably has shaved with a DE before. I'm 50 and started out on one at 15, being literally forced to give up my Adjustable at boot camp at age 24, to use a Trac II.

    Your father-in-law was born in 1952-53 and probably started shaving at age 15 or 16, which would make it, at the latest, 1969-- when was the Trac II invented.

    So why are you giving him a pamphlet to tell him how to do something he was doing long before you were born. I just don't understand this...

    ...it would be like giving Brett Favre a pamphlet on how to hold and throw a football (or an interception!)...just not necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Gillette View Post
    Why is it a decent idea?
    Because there have been quite a few people I have introduced to DE shaving and they have no interest in looking up shaving techniques online but would be willing to read something I gave them.
    For now the only think I can recomend is leisureguy's a guide to the gourmet shaving experience

    His article is what got me started.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ltltony View Post
    For now the only think I can recomend is leisureguy's a guide to the gourmet shaving experience

    His article is what got me started.
    Then why don't you recommend that "think" to them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Gillette View Post
    If your father-in-law is 56, he probably has shaved with a DE before. I'm 50 and started out on one at 15, being literally forced to give up my Adjustable at boot camp at age 24, to use a Trac II.

    Your father-in-law was born in 1952-53 and probably started shaving at age 15 or 16, which would make it, at the latest, 1969-- when was the Trac II invented.

    So why are you giving him a pamphlet to tell him how to do something he was doing long before you were born. I just don't understand this...

    ...it would be like giving Brett Favre a pamphlet on how to hold and throw a football (or an interception!)...just not necessary.
    I'm not entirely sure why you're so vehemently against this idea, I'd like to think I'm reading into it, but you're being very negative about something that really doesn't deserve it. Regardless, I think you're also assuming too much. My dad has never shaved well. He used a can of Noxema of Colgate cream, which is what I started with, and has used a cartridge/disposable razor for more years than I can count. So while he did use one, it's been a long time, and I doubt he had a shaving experience like we're trying to have now.

    A pamphlet is not an educational piece. Pamphlets, from a marketing standpoint, are to grab your interest and get you interested in learning more about it. This would be the perfect thing to give to someone with a DE, blades, brush, and soap. They can work on it their own if they want, or they can use the pamphlet as a springboard to learning more on their own. I sure am not going to give my dad a link to B&B first thing and say "read up" if I could give him a pamphlet. It's marketing, and an introduction, not a comprehensive body of work.

    By the by Verminaard, if you want some assistance putting this together I'll offer what skills I have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mockett View Post
    I'm not entirely sure why you're so vehemently against this idea, I'd like to think I'm reading into it, but you're being very negative about something that really doesn't deserve it. Regardless, I think you're also assuming too much. My dad has never shaved well. He used a can of Noxema of Colgate cream, which is what I started with, and has used a cartridge/disposable razor for more years than I can count. So while he did use one, it's been a long time, and I doubt he had a shaving experience like we're trying to have now.

    A pamphlet is not an educational piece. Pamphlets, from a marketing standpoint, are to grab your interest and get you interested in learning more about it. This would be the perfect thing to give to someone with a DE, blades, brush, and soap. They can work on it their own if they want, or they can use the pamphlet as a springboard to learning more on their own. I sure am not going to give my dad a link to B&B first thing and say "read up" if I could give him a pamphlet. It's marketing, and an introduction, not a comprehensive body of work.

    By the by Verminaard, if you want some assistance putting this together I'll offer what skills I have.

    Now you're getting it! You're nearly correct on all counts.

    I am vehemently against it, because too many people in this day and age see a pamphlet and THINK it's all there is to know about a subject. That's why we have programs purporting to teach kids piano lessons by computer in 7 days, or we have WEB MD, etc. etc. seen as "truth."

    Your dad has never shaved well. Fair! Good observation. But why not spend some time with him SHOWING him what you've learned, instead of handing him a pamphlet? If you show him, and you guys go into the bathroom and spill some water on the floor, and whip up some soap, isn't that a better experience? I've done this with my own son-- and in the act of shaving, he's realized that my technique is much better than his own-- so he hones it, and I hope he comes here to find out for himself how much better he can do things. I wouldn't hand him a pamphlet.

    On my own father's 80th birthday this past January, I mixed up some Williams, loaded up a gold Aristocrat, (just like his old DE) and we had some shaving fun. In the final analysis, he likes his Schick Quattro and Barbasol just fine, but he did admit that the old Aristocrat felt good and allowed that "I didn't know you could get those DE blades like that anymore." He'll never use a DE again-- but we had a good experience doing it.

    We here at B&B are a bunch of guys who don't always take the easy way out. If we did, we'd look like the rest of the folks at work-- reasonably well shaven, with a M3 in 5 minutes and some Edge gel. Many of us have chosen, (like I have) to get up an extra hour early each day to get in a 30-40 minute shave.

    My "goosing" you guys on this project is on two levels:

    1) A lot of people (Kyle, Mantic, etc) have worked hard on the things they have written or said or portrayed on videos, and I, for one, feel that their work stands on its own. To paraphrase their work or to encapsulize it or minimize it, is unfair. These guys have a ton of experience, and express themselves well. I hate, more than you know, to see this treatment of what I consider to be cutting edge (no pun intended) shaving "gospel."

    2) A lot of people on here quite possibly have a bit more experience DE shaving than you do. In some sense, it's possible that you haven't earned the right to pass on the wealth of knowledge that's here. This sounds extreme, but it's a classic phenomenon-- an enthusiastic and well-meaning convert to a religion wanting to spread the word quickly, diluting and misinterpreting that which is dogma to a waiting world. "Come to Church this Easter-- the Chocolate Bunnies will be there in the pink baskets with the green fake grass!!!! This is the truth of Easter!!"


    You'll do what you will-- but keep in mind, it's someone else's work you're tampering with, and copyrights or no copyrights, it's dirty pool to do that.

    I'm done with this subject.

    Take care, but PLEASE spend this quality time with your dad-- your motives are pure and your enthusiasm is refreshing. Methodology-- B-.
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    I can see this made up with vintage illustrations to look "vintage." For Christmas, I gave some friends some wet-shaving gear and I really wished that I had a "basic primer" to give them. I might have to explore this idea.

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    Ok, Mr Gillette. I know you're done with this post, but maybe you'll read this reply at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Gillette View Post
    Now you're getting it! You're nearly correct on all counts.

    I am vehemently against it, because too many people in this day and age see a pamphlet and THINK it's all there is to know about a subject. That's why we have programs purporting to teach kids piano lessons by computer in 7 days, or we have WEB MD, etc. etc. seen as "truth."
    I'll agree with this, of course. People want things in digestible bite sized pieces, rather than having to actually do any work on their own. Play the guitar in three weeks! Perhaps, but only poorly. I get that you don't want this proselytized in a way that will dilute the real information out there, but I don't actually think that this will be a problem.

    Your dad has never shaved well. Fair! Good observation. But why not spend some time with him SHOWING him what you've learned, instead of handing him a pamphlet? If you show him, and you guys go into the bathroom and spill some water on the floor, and whip up some soap, isn't that a better experience? I've done this with my own son-- and in the act of shaving, he's realized that my technique is much better than his own-- so he hones it, and I hope he comes here to find out for himself how much better he can do things. I wouldn't hand him a pamphlet.
    You don't know my dad very well . If I said "Why don't we go have a shave" it wouldn't end well. He might even agree to it, but my dad is one of those "knows better than you" kind of people. He means well, but the best thing is to give him the opportunity to have a go of it on his own, with perhaps some nudging or encouragement. He's the reason I never learned to drive a standard, it just didn't go well I'll offer help if he wants it, and if we end up with water on the floor that'd be just fine by me, but I'm still not giving up on the reality of a pamphlet being a cute introduction to a wider world, rather than a scapegoat to not stepping through the door.

    On my own father's 80th birthday this past January, I mixed up some Williams, loaded up a gold Aristocrat, (just like his old DE) and we had some shaving fun. In the final analysis, he likes his Schick Quattro and Barbasol just fine, but he did admit that the old Aristocrat felt good and allowed that "I didn't know you could get those DE blades like that anymore." He'll never use a DE again-- but we had a good experience doing it.
    I think that's fantastic. The good news is, my dad is already somewhat interested in trying a DE again. Mostly because it's cheaper, and he's sick of cartridge prices. I'm bringing him a SS the next time I see him, with pack of Derby blades.

    We here at B&B are a bunch of guys who don't always take the easy way out. If we did, we'd look like the rest of the folks at work-- reasonably well shaven, with a M3 in 5 minutes and some Edge gel. Many of us have chosen, (like I have) to get up an extra hour early each day to get in a 30-40 minute shave.
    Amen to that. I get up first any day I shave and take my 30 minutes to get my morning ritual in.

    My "goosing" you guys on this project is on two levels:

    1) A lot of people (Kyle, Mantic, etc) have worked hard on the things they have written or said or portrayed on videos, and I, for one, feel that their work stands on its own. To paraphrase their work or to encapsulize it or minimize it, is unfair. These guys have a ton of experience, and express themselves well. I hate, more than you know, to see this treatment of what I consider to be cutting edge (no pun intended) shaving "gospel."
    They express themselves well, and I point everyone who asks me about shaving to this site. "Watch Mantic, read Kyles prep, read the reviews, etc etc.". It's gospel, but that doesn't mean there aren't broad-brush basics that could be put into a pamphlet. I'm pretty sure that I could put some copy together, in my own words, that most of B&B could agree on as good or as least "no harm" in passing on to a novice with a razor.

    2) A lot of people on here quite possibly have a bit more experience DE shaving than you do. In some sense, it's possible that you haven't earned the right to pass on the wealth of knowledge that's here. This sounds extreme, but it's a classic phenomenon-- an enthusiastic and well-meaning convert to a religion wanting to spread the word quickly, diluting and misinterpreting that which is dogma to a waiting world. "Come to Church this Easter-- the Chocolate Bunnies will be there in the pink baskets with the green fake grass!!!! This is the truth of Easter!!"
    First, I'd say that while I am certainly more novice that most of the people on this forum, knowledge is always worth passing on. I've got a firm grip on the basics, and that's all I'd consider passing on. And I'd like to this I've earned the right to help people make their mornings a little better, simply by being a part of this great community. I made an Instructable for making your own shaving stand, and I think that speaks to me wanting to contribute in a meaningful way.

    Now, a pamphlet can be considered, by nature, to be dilution. OR it can be considered to be a doorway. Like I said above, it's just a marketing piece, nothing more. I like the idea of a pamphlet with cute vintage images in it with a little copy to help the novice on their way to the gateway that is B&B.

    You'll do what you will-- but keep in mind, it's someone else's work you're tampering with, and copyrights or no copyrights, it's dirty pool to do that.
    Dirty pool it is. If I were putting this pamphlet together, I would write all my own copy. I don't agree with stealing text for publishable purposes, that's copyright infringement and just plain wrong. I mean, heck, there isn't even enough room on a pamphlet to "copy" much of anything. I would write it myself, and that's that. Thievery makes me madder than most things. Note, I am not the original poster, therefore you did not know that I am against "borrowing" existing work.

    I'm done with this subject.

    Take care, but PLEASE spend this quality time with your dad-- your motives are pure and your enthusiasm is refreshing. Methodology-- B-.
    I'm not put off by your vehemence Mr Gillette, because you're trying to fiercely defend the teachings and body of work of a community that I wholeheartedly support. So I just wanted to say my piece, to let you know that I don't think that differently than you on this subject. Sure, I think that a pamphlet could be neat to give to people with their first shaving apparatus. But I do agree with you about keeping the body of work whole and attributed, as well as spending real time with someone you're trying to "bring to the light". I spent 30 minutes in my bathroom with a friend of mine helping with his first injector shave, so I get it.

    Stealing copy is just wrong, and I wouldn't do it.

    Thanks for your perspective Mr Gillette.

 

 

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