Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 28

Thread: Stypic pencil and health concerns

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    191
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default Stypic pencil and health concerns

    Styptic pencils are made in part of aluminum, such a metal proven to cause Alzheimer's. Somehow I don't think adding this directly to your blood is harmless long term.
    Or am I paranoid?
    Alternative ways to stop bleeding?

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Sydney, Australia
    Posts
    13,797
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Images
    11

    Default

    i dont use a styptic pencil or alum block or any of that. my alternative way to stop bleeding is time. that being said, i dont really cut myself much, the occasional nick will normally have stopped bleeding by the time im up to my after shave balm anyway.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Center of U.S. Population
    Posts
    309
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by mr00jimbo View Post
    Styptic pencils are made in part of aluminum, such a metal proven to cause Alzheimer's.
    This is incorrect. There is no such proof. "At this point, there is no evidence that aluminum increases a person's risk of developing Alzheimer's disease." [Alzheimer Society of Canada] Alzheimer's seems to be primarily hereditary, possibly with aluminum poisoning involved if certain defective genes are present. If your grandfather had Alzheimer's and you ate a dozen styptic pencils a day you might have something to worry about. I'm a retired M.D. and my wife's grandmother had Alzheimer's so I pay special attention to Alzheimer's research since it does seem to have hereditary factors.

    You can buy styptic pencils without aluminum made of titanium dioxide.

    You're doing something wrong if you get nicks or cuts that don't stop bleeding very quickly. Your technique needs improvement or you need a better razor (or you have abnormal blood chemistry).

    I've been shaving with a DE razor for more than fifty years and I've never used a styptic pencil or alum block. I seldom get a nick, maybe one a month usually due to carelessness by starting to move the razor before it's fully down on my skin or by going too fast over a chin dimple. Nicks should be uncommon.

    Richard

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Minneapolis Suburb
    Posts
    44
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    The aluminum vs alzheimer debate went around home brewing circles several years ago- probably close to a decade. Many homebrewers use aluminum pots to boil beer.
    The research linking aluminum to alzheimer's disease was flawed, and as it turns out there was no link. I'm surprised this rumor is still alive- that's how long ago we were debating it in the homebrewing community.
    Brewman

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Bothell, WA
    Posts
    228
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    As long as you don't chew on your styptic pencil or alum block , I think you'll be fine.

    spiffy

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    North Carolina
    Posts
    530
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lionhearted View Post
    This is incorrect. There is no such proof.
    Thank you. Beat me to it!
    Don't want anyone to feel bad -- just want people to be well informed.

    Rick

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Buffalo,N.Y
    Posts
    655
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    I agree, I very seldom ever nick myself. I have a styptic in my bag but can't remember the last time I used it. Maybe a blade change might help. Anything relating to Alzheimers is very important to me,my Dad was a victim of this horrible disease. Good luck!

  8. #8
    Hoos's Avatar
    Hoos is offline scintillating personality, rapier wit, and debonair continentalism
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    SF Bay Area
    Posts
    2,154
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Images
    13

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lionhearted View Post
    This is incorrect. There is no such proof. "At this point, there is no evidence that aluminum increases a person's risk of developing Alzheimer's disease." [Alzheimer Society of Canada] Alzheimer's seems to be primarily hereditary, possibly with aluminum poisoning involved if certain defective genes are present. If your grandfather had Alzheimer's and you ate a dozen styptic pencils a day you might have something to worry about. I'm a retired M.D. and my wife's grandmother had Alzheimer's so I pay special attention to Alzheimer's research since it does seem to have hereditary factors.

    You can buy styptic pencils without aluminum made of titanium dioxide.

    You're doing something wrong if you get nicks or cuts that don't stop bleeding very quickly. Your technique needs improvement or you need a better razor (or you have abnormal blood chemistry).

    I've been shaving with a DE razor for more than fifty years and I've never used a styptic pencil or alum block. I seldom get a nick, maybe one a month usually due to carelessness by starting to move the razor before it's fully down on my skin or by going too fast over a chin dimple. Nicks should be uncommon.

    Richard
    ^^This. ALL of this. There's no proven connection. And repeated nicks would indicate some improvement being required in the shave routine.

    I've been DE shaving for five months and have had exactly two nicks and used the styptic once.

    If you are concerned about getting something from a styptic pencil, you can use bits of toilet paper.
    Brent

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    East Windsor, CT
    Posts
    1,028
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoos View Post
    If you are concerned about getting something from a styptic pencil, you can use bits of toilet paper.
    Just remember to take the paper off before going outside!

  10. #10
    Mr. Gillette's Avatar
    Mr. Gillette is offline Nail my feet to the floor, just bring on the food, baby. P.S. - Ouch is awesome!!!
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Howell, MI
    Posts
    3,303
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lionhearted View Post
    This is incorrect. There is no such proof. "At this point, there is no evidence that aluminum increases a person's risk of developing Alzheimer's disease." [Alzheimer Society of Canada] Alzheimer's seems to be primarily hereditary, possibly with aluminum poisoning involved if certain defective genes are present. If your grandfather had Alzheimer's and you ate a dozen styptic pencils a day you might have something to worry about. I'm a retired M.D. and my wife's grandmother had Alzheimer's so I pay special attention to Alzheimer's research since it does seem to have hereditary factors.

    You can buy styptic pencils without aluminum made of titanium dioxide.

    You're doing something wrong if you get nicks or cuts that don't stop bleeding very quickly. Your technique needs improvement or you need a better razor (or you have abnormal blood chemistry).

    I've been shaving with a DE razor for more than fifty years and I've never used a styptic pencil or alum block. I seldom get a nick, maybe one a month usually due to carelessness by starting to move the razor before it's fully down on my skin or by going too fast over a chin dimple. Nicks should be uncommon.

    Richard
    A red-letter day...Mr. Gillette agrees COMPLETELY with Richard!

    Technically, it's ALUM...no different than the alum that is purchased on the spice rack in your local grocery store. In fact, I simply use powdered alum I bought for 89 cents. It has the same stypic effect, but it doesn't roll off the medicine cabinet shelf and into the sink/water!

    Were this a legitmate concern (Aluminum/Alzheimer's), and this rumor has been prevalent for a good number of years (10+), I'm quite certain that aluminum foil, alumnium pie pans, and all manner of aluminum cookware would have been pulled from sales. Alumnium beverage cans would be a thing of the past. Many people I know got rid of their alumnium cookware when this idea started to circulate. (Most of them replaced it with something like Farberware-- stainless steel, still bonded to Aluminum!) At the very least, it would seem that all of the aluminum products we use would carry some type of warning label...

    "WARNING...Use of Aluminum cookware may lead to...uh...uh...I can't remember."

    Dill Pickles have a large amount of Alum in the processing of them. I'm sure the amount of alum consumed in a jar of Vlasics would exceed a year's worth of stypic use.

    Richard is right-- the threat is minimal, if at all. The alternative is to bleed.

    Use it and enjoy it...(if there is ANY enjoyment to be found in howling while you apply the pencil to the cut!)

    Pickles, dill pickles, use a considerable amount of alum
    "I'd wish you good luck, but the good ones don't need it and all the luck in the world won't help the bad ones."

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    309
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    Yes, there's no proven connection, but there also isn't anything that disproves it. I think that since aluminum closes up your pores, it isn't that natural and really can't be that good for you. I do use a stypic when i need one (not that often), but definitely refrain from using aluminum based deoderants.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Kentucky
    Posts
    227
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Diggity View Post
    it isn't that natural
    Sorry, but it's one of the most common elements on the planet (#3)...

    http://education.jlab.org/glossary/abund_ele.html

    - R
    Yes, that is a bird on my head...

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    191
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Thread Starter

    Default

    Thanks guys. I never said that I am nicking myself frequently. Unfortunately if I do nick myself, and I shave over the same area before it can close up completely (say the next day) it may re-open the cut
    but as far as introducing NEW cuts, rare.

  14. #14
    VR6ofpain

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lionhearted View Post
    This is incorrect. There is no such proof.
    I was going to say the same thing. People really need to research things more these days. I could go out and tell everyone that elephants weigh more than the Moon. Pretty soon there would be people arguing that elephants weight more than the Moon.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Central Ohio
    Posts
    7,735
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Images
    1

    Default

    I don't see any problem with any type of styptic pencil, unless you are painting your face with it. That would mean that you desperately need to adjust your shaving technique.
    ~Jon~
    BBS Challenged

    Member of the B&B 2011 Rudy Vey custom Brush Buy
    I gave to Soap For Hope
    I survived the 2011 B&B Upgrade

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Ixonia, WI
    Posts
    1,796
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    Just don't get one of those "septic" pencils. Otherwise, you should have nothing to worry about.
    -Erick

  17. #17
    Mr. Gillette's Avatar
    Mr. Gillette is offline Nail my feet to the floor, just bring on the food, baby. P.S. - Ouch is awesome!!!
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Howell, MI
    Posts
    3,303
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    I have trouble remembering what this post was about. I do remember using my stytic pencil, using antiperspirant with Aluminum chlorhydrate, eating a piece of pie out of an aluminum pan, and cooking dinner in my 1950's
    "Club Aluminum" cookware, then wrapping the leftovers in foil... but what was this thread about again? I can't remember.
    "I'd wish you good luck, but the good ones don't need it and all the luck in the world won't help the bad ones."

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Oklahoma City, OK
    Posts
    155
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Diggity View Post
    Yes, there's no proven connection, but there also isn't anything that disproves it. I think that since aluminum closes up your pores, it isn't that natural and really can't be that good for you. I do use a stypic when i need one (not that often), but definitely refrain from using aluminum based deoderants.
    2 notes. First, there would be no way to the negative you propose; we prove things by finding the evidence left behind by their connection, and something that doesn't exist would not leave such evidence. because there is no reliable and significant evidence that demonstrates aluminum/alum causes Alzheimer's, we can say that aluminum/alum does not cause Alzheimer's. Second, lots of things that we use to close pores are plenty natural. Witch hazel is an astringent, tannins in tea and red wine are astringent, oatmeal is an astringent, etc.
    Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
    --Emerson

    Was delighted to receive the hone. Very many thanks, Henceforth, such is magic, I shall always be shaving in your name.
    --Kenneth Burke to Malcolm Cowley

  19. #19
    Hoos's Avatar
    Hoos is offline scintillating personality, rapier wit, and debonair continentalism
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    SF Bay Area
    Posts
    2,154
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Images
    13

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Diggity View Post
    Yes, there's no proven connection, but there also isn't anything that disproves it.
    While I don't disagree that one should be a careful consumer, one should also be an informed consumer.

    So, following that logic can lead to all kinds of folly:

    Fire is alive (nothing to disprove it).

    Breathing causes death (nothing to disprove it).

    My shaving routine could be considered an Olympic event (nothing to disprove it).

    My opinion is the only one that counts (nothing to disprove it).

    So, you see simply saying "there also isn't anything that disproves it" is something of a hollow argument?
    Brent

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Minneapolis Suburb
    Posts
    44
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    You cannot prove a negative.

    And even when proof exists that something may be dangerous, the research methods could be faulty.

    Remember back in the 1970's when saccerine was pulled from the market becuse it caused cancer in lab mice? After several decades it was discovered that it wasn't dangerous like first thought.

    So which is it? Safe or dangerous.


    First eggs were nature's perfect food. Then the cholesterol hysteria made them evil. Now they're okay again.

    Many more could be listed.
    Brewman

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Storing a Stypic Pencil
    By Ski-Patroller in forum General Shaving Discussion
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: 11-05-2010, 05:02 PM
  2. Alum block vs stypic pencil
    By BAMF624 in forum Aftershaves
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 03-11-2009, 03:40 AM
  3. Alum and Stypic Pencil Help
    By ninjablade55 in forum Shave Clinic & Newbie Check-In
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 10-23-2008, 07:50 AM
  4. New Travel Concerns
    By Newfie in forum General Shaving Discussion
    Replies: 19
    Last Post: 07-10-2007, 08:26 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
By accessing Badger & Blade, you agree to abide by the Terms of Usage. You can find our Privacy Policy here.
Once submitted, any posts, images, or content become the property of Badger & Blade.
Powered by vBulletin® - Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.