Name your favorite non-protein powder supplement!

**elsmooth** · 08-10-2012, 06:53 AM

As the title says, name your favorite non-protein powder supplement!

**commanderkeen** · 08-10-2012, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by elsmooth

As the title says, name your favorite non-protein powder supplement!

I don't really use anything else but whey. So, I gotta say that I like the fish-oil supplements. Looking to try creatine again after not using for 9 years when I begin a 'bulk'.

**BingeAndPurge** · 08-10-2012, 11:57 AM

beta alanine

ephedrine

**commanderkeen** · 08-10-2012, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by BingeAndPurge

beta alanine

ephedrine

I hope that was a joke, hehe.

**Pebcak** · 08-10-2012, 12:45 PM

Fish Oil.

**rob_NH** · 08-10-2012, 01:24 PM

PRObiotic 225 by ortho molecular. All health begin in the gut.

**COHunter** · 08-10-2012, 01:38 PM

Beer.

**Rodeoflyer** · 08-10-2012, 05:41 PM

Glucosamine

**OkieStubble** · 08-10-2012, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Rodeoflyer

Glucosamine

+1 Very essential. I would add Arginine and Creatine.

**BingeAndPurge** · 08-10-2012, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by commanderkeen

I hope that was a joke, hehe.

How would one think that was a joke? EC is the cheapest, legit, and legal fat burner known to man.

I'm currently a huge fan of beta alanine. Also very inexpensive in bulk form, scientifically proven, and it can be a huge benefit during certain training days.

Creatine has been such a staple for me for so long, that I did not include it in this thread. Ephedrine has been a long term staple as well, but I cycle it, most people don't realize that it is still legal without a prescription, and people still pay WAY too much money for fat burners that contain a kitchen sink of underdosed, anecdotal (at best) ingredients. EC works, and as a person who likes stimulants a little too much as it is, I felt I should include it.

**RazoRock** · 08-10-2012, 09:20 PM

All I use is Manitoba's Harvest Hemp protein, easily digestible and you get the Omegas as well. I'd say the best non-protein supplement would be a green powder.

**cb91710** · 08-10-2012, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by BingeAndPurge

beta alanine

ephedrine

Please keep a close eye on your blood pressure, even if you are doing a full ECA stack. I heard of doing only EC, but when I was working out seriously 10 years ago, it was always ECA to help counteract some of the cardio sides of the ephedrine.

For me, I used creatine for a few months, but the water retention was problematic and the "pump" frequently painful... got a few stretch marks on my biceps.
Other than that, the only thing that I used other than some ECA experimentation was a shot of Glutamine with my protein shakes.

**BingeAndPurge** · 08-11-2012, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by cb91710

Please keep a close eye on your blood pressure, even if you are doing a full ECA stack. I heard of doing only EC, but when I was working out seriously 10 years ago, it was always ECA to help counteract some of the cardio sides of the ephedrine.

For me, I used creatine for a few months, but the water retention was problematic and the "pump" frequently painful... got a few stretch marks on my biceps.
Other than that, the only thing that I used other than some ECA experimentation was a shot of Glutamine with my protein shakes.

The aspirin in ECA has little to do with cardiovascular sides effects. Studies show that aspirin increases the lipo/fat bruning effects of ephedrine, and a lot of people these days simply ditch the aspirin all together.

Also, the extreme water retention side effects of creatine has been debunked over and over again. I honestly doubt stretchmarks on your biceps has much to do with taking creatine. I started getting them on the back of my armpits in high school from swimming before I took anything or was even lifting regularly. It's hard to think of a single supplement with more positive research behind it than creatine mono.

**cb91710** · 08-11-2012, 11:57 AM

Oh I'm not opposed to creatine at all. Read a lot of horror stories that were obviously the results of someone attempting to hide the use of other "products"

But for me, at the level I was working, I don't feel that it was needed or really beneficial. The intense pumps that I got were absolutely due to it, as an identical workout with no supplement for 48 hours but the same hydration would not produce the same feeling. That's what I was referring to with the water retention... not the "bloating" that some speak of... just a very intense pump.

**azmark** · 10-21-2012, 06:51 PM

BCAAs. CELL KEM by Evogen in particular.

**JustAnotherDude** · 10-21-2012, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by BingeAndPurge

How would one think that was a joke? EC is the cheapest, legit, and legal fat burner known to man.

I'm currently a huge fan of beta alanine. Also very inexpensive in bulk form, scientifically proven, and it can be a huge benefit during certain training days.

Creatine has been such a staple for me for so long, that I did not include it in this thread. Ephedrine has been a long term staple as well, but I cycle it, most people don't realize that it is still legal without a prescription, and people still pay WAY too much money for fat burners that contain a kitchen sink of underdosed, anecdotal (at best) ingredients. EC works, and as a person who likes stimulants a little too much as it is, I felt I should include it.

The above is QFT.

Personally I just do cheap fish oil, cheap multivitamin, and whey.

**azmark** · 10-21-2012, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by BingeAndPurge

The aspirin in ECA has little to do with cardiovascular sides effects. Studies show that aspirin increases the lipo/fat bruning effects of ephedrine, and a lot of people these days simply ditch the aspirin all together.

Also, the extreme water retention side effects of creatine has been debunked over and over again. I honestly doubt stretchmarks on your biceps has much to do with taking creatine. I started getting them on the back of my armpits in high school from swimming before I took anything or was even lifting regularly. It's hard to think of a single supplement with more positive research behind it than creatine mono.

I love my stretch marks, just means I'm getting bigger

The water retention that everyone was/is so worried about is true. That is the job of creatine, to shuttle water to the muscle not subcutaneous. Personally I switched from mono to creatine hcl a few months back and hands down it is much better.

**azmark** · 10-21-2012, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by cb91710

Please keep a close eye on your blood pressure, even if you are doing a full ECA stack. I heard of doing only EC, but when I was working out seriously 10 years ago, it was always ECA to help counteract some of the cardio sides of the ephedrine.

For me, I used creatine for a few months, but the water retention was problematic and the "pump" frequently painful... got a few stretch marks on my biceps.
Other than that, the only thing that I used other than some ECA experimentation was a shot of Glutamine with my protein shakes.

Creatine give no "pump." Maybe creatine was in a preworkout that gave those pumps but creatine alone doesn't do that.

**azmark** · 10-21-2012, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by BingeAndPurge

How would one think that was a joke? EC is the cheapest, legit, and legal fat burner known to man.

I'm currently a huge fan of beta alanine. Also very inexpensive in bulk form, scientifically proven, and it can be a huge benefit during certain training days.

Creatine has been such a staple for me for so long, that I did not include it in this thread. Ephedrine has been a long term staple as well, but I cycle it, most people don't realize that it is still legal without a prescription, and people still pay WAY too much money for fat burners that contain a kitchen sink of underdosed, anecdotal (at best) ingredients. EC works, and as a person who likes stimulants a little too much as it is, I felt I should include it.

IMO DNP is a much stronger fat burner. Ran it for a month and good lord, that was hard but it shredded my back fat with a few more things to help the stack. DNP is legit.