I find the Joris to be a smoother and a lil more efficient shave than the FaTips,even the FaTips with aftermarket handles.Having said that,the difference is very small and very much a YMMV.Like vocalistbob said both get the job done and I'll add the slant to that as it's also a great shave.
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If efficiency is defined as most stubble removed per pass I don't even think this is a YMMV thing. Each razor is in a completely different class.
I can't see how anyone could come to a different conclusion:
R41>Fatip>Merkur 37C
Aaron
I define efficiency as the ability to quickly perform a great shave with minimal risk of irritation (this is part of my goal and if I have to slow down to accomplish it, I am inherently less efficient.) As a result I choose the slant, though I believe there are better vintage options than the 37c. This razor and it's older brother consistently give me smooth, effortless shaves with minimal pass(es).
-Chris
No contest
the r421 with the bulldog handle, is the best aggressive razor known to the civilized world
mildest
de89 with the same handle
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I find the R41 is not that slow going for me. I use it with a feather, and a new blade every 6 passes (currently every 3 shaves). I don't understand the need to slow down or fear it. The only thing is that you need to learn to use it. The optimum blade angle requires a diffent handle angle than other razors I suspect, and I think the reason some find it too aggressive or irritating is they don't ever learn this angle.
I can't compare it to the others on this list yet, but I shave fast and both blood and irritation free with an R41 and a feather.
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Have all three and when you ask for efficient razor I would rank 1st place 37C, Runner up R41 and on a 3rd place Fatip.
If you had ask for an agressive razor it will be R41, R41, Fatip and 37C.
I guess that for those who compare Joris with Fatip price. You pay a bit more for fit & finish on Joris.
I own all the ones listed (actually a 39C instead of the 37C). I think that my best very close shaves at present come with the Fatip/Tradere handle combo. It is extremely well balanced, cuts very, very close - BUT - it's not harsh - which for me, the R41 sometimes is. The R41 shaves closer - but at least for me, the Fatip shaves better. I'm going to pick up a new Joris as well...just need to decide upon the right handle. Does anyone know which handle has the best grip? And which is the heaviest?
Tom M.
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The Slant HANDS DOWN!! The Fatip second. The R41 is VERY aggressive. The slant provides as close a shave as the R41 but is way smoother, IMO. Unless you like an insanely aggressive shave, don't get the R41.
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I'm not sure how to define aggressive other than efficient. I find the R41 does not attack me. It is not agressive like that. It attacks my hair, thus it is efficient. I guess I'll lern more wen I get my joris, slant and LC New some time down the road.
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Disclaimer: I have never used an R41.
Fatip above the Merkur by significant margin. I think the Merkur is interesting, and will keep trying with it, but it's a much mildr shave than the Fatip, and kinda bulky. And not in that good Fatboy-style-bulky, but just a little cumbersome.
Fatip with a Weber bulldog handle...you won't be sorry even if something else is "more efficient."
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Thanks Turtle, but as I've already mentioned before, Joris is "too rich for my blood". I couldn't justify spending that much money on a razor (4x price of Fatip). "Bling" isn't my first priority. Not that I don't like it though![]()
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