Animal testing interest

[Tonka]

Hi all just curious about this, I always assumed men were quite conscious of animal testing issues but there is not much talk of it on here. Just thought I would do a poll to see where people sit.

[zirrow]

I tried to test my cats once, but none of the could hold the pencil.

[jackmormon]

Not really a joking matter for people who care about animals and animal cruelty.

[zirrow]

I apologize if I offended you jack.

I'd prefer we test on prisoners, but since that's out of the question, I'm fine with them testing on animals before turning something loose on the public to see what happens.

[jackmormon]

No offense. It is just something I feel strongly about but still understand there are two valid sides to the issue.

I'd prefer that we test on politicians 1st.

[turtle]

I don't think about it.

If I did, I would do something that would get me put away for the rest of my life

SO... I don't think about it.

[Haggises]

I put "Not sure" because I don't think about it.
I'd rather unnecessary testing was not conducted onanimals, but I don't know where to draw the line.
All the "Not tested on animals" products either have ingredients that HAVE been tested on animals or they've been in use on humans for years.

actually this may put me in the "I know but I like the products" group instead.

[maxman]

I don`t think about it enough to be honest.
I don`t like it, but i`m not doing anything about it so I guess I`m pretty average.

[zethreal]

I like testing bbq sauce on animals, but other than that, I think it should be avoided:P

(I'm trying to be funny. I am against testing on animals, but I'm no tree hugger/vegetarian. Sorry if I offend anyone.)

[mretzloff]

No one asks because there is no (or at least should no) animal testing when it comes to shaving creams or soaps. Chemically speaking, both of those consist of a base (lye) and acids (butters, fats, oils). If you need to test your cream or soap product on animals, you have some serious problems.

I'd prefer we test on prisoners

I'd prefer that we test on politicians 1st.

I honestly hope these two comments were written in jest.....

[Pebcak]

I honestly hope these two comments were written in jest.....

I agree. I mean to begin with you'd never get an honest test response from the politicians.

[adios_mach_3s]

We're talking about testing shaving products right? Seems like the only valid 'animal' for testing would be a human, therefore I volunteer to be a test subject.

[ewickham]

I'd prefer that we test on politicians 1st.

If we did this, wouldn't we deliberately be looking for products that killed them?

[sychodelix]

The problem with animal testing is the way that it is done. I could "possibly" see testing certain things on animal skin, since it actually makes some sense. But they don't do that. They force feed it to them, make them inhale fumes from it, put it in their eyes until they go blind, and probably lots of other irrational stupid things. You can tell by the ingredients for most products if they are dangerous to consume, inhale or get in your eyes. When you are doing things to an animal that you would NEVER try on a human, then you have no business doing it. Excuse my french, but it's f*%$ing torture, for no valid reason at all.

Anyways, I fall into the won't use animal tested products if I don't have to. Not a vegan or a treehugger, just don't like pointless abuse of animals.

Choosing not to pour substances known to cause blindness and/or pain into an animal's eyeballs is not what I call false morality.

Ethical people use paid people to use products the way they are meant to be used. Animals don't get paid, and don't get them used in ways that they are meant to be used.

Hell, I guess I'm the only one that sees a problem with it.

As for the animal testing, (and this is my last post about it because I get too emotional about it) there are numerous government approved tests that either use less animals, no animals and even synthetic skin and eyes from an animal that died already. In the past, it may have been necessary to use animal testing, but in the present, very few test still require it. So the animal testing that came before is pretty much a moot point.

The funny thing is, I might be against typical cruel types of testing done on animals, but I'm not at all against using animal products or eating meat. To some, it might seem hypocritical but here's my reasoning. Those animals used to make tallow based soaps and lanolin or steaks or whatever, are doomed to die no matter what. Even if I chose to avoid those products, someone else will use them instead. As long as there is demand for those products, animals will die for humans. So I might as well use those products instead of someone else. That's okay, and its been done since humans existed. My only issue is when animals are hurt in extremely cruel ways, for no other reason than to pass government rules. I do understand that there are times it must be done, but I don't have to like it.

[LegionPrime]

Well no component is going to be brought to market without it being tested on animals. The whole "cruelty free" and ""not tested on animals" garbage is BS regardless. If they didn't test it on animals it's because someone else already had. I've always taken a dim view of companies claiming they're morally superior because their products are not when the companies they claim to be superior to are the ones who already shouldered the effort and expense of doing the initial testing. Without someone doing the initial testing to gain approval for use they wouldn't have a product to slap their "cruelty free" labels on. Personally I prefer honesty to a false morality.

[LegionPrime]

Choosing not to pour substances known to cause blindness and/or pain into an animal's eyeballs is not what I call false morality.

Ethical people use paid people to use products the way they are meant to be used. Animals don't get paid, and don't get them used in ways that they are meant to be used.

Hell, I guess I'm the only one that sees a problem with it.

Ah, but claiming a halo for not doing what another company has done when without the other companies actions they would then have to do it themselves is. If someone else hadn't done it before them they would have 2 options, doing it themselves or not selling a product. I don't relish the thought of animal testing, but without it snake oil salesmen would be doing far worse to their customers, which is of course WHY we use animal testing. If you'd like to volunteer yourself for testing in their place feel free.

[inspiringK]

I may find some interest in this thread if someone could name a single popular shaving product that is talked about on B&B and is known to be tested on animals. Right now, this thread is in the General Shaving section, my guess is that it will move to the Barber Shop where it will eventually be closed or stolen to the Clown House. Animal testing is an important issue, but is about as relevant on this forum as questions related to capital punishment or the most efficient way to eat an orange. Just my 2c. My first impression, right or wrong, was that the thread was meant to be political and possibly encourage inflammatory comments.

[Tonka]

This posts relates to general shaving products. One product that is tested on animals- Old Spice, no particular reason for choosing that product other than it is well known. If you are curious a list can be found on the internet as can a list of companies that do not

I am not an activist or a zealot, I am just a bloke that after some thought made a decision not to use such products and felt rightly or wrongly that this issues was something others might be interested in and or concerned about, I mean people need to know about it to at least have the choice?
We on here discuss the minutiae of shave products e.g. which lavender smell is the strongest etc, this is at least as important as that?
I am not interested in politics or want to make people feel guilty but I think it should be given some consideration?

I don't want to get political, I mean I have a boar brush and i use it daily.
I have modified this post to keep politics out of it.


++peace out++

[BallisticBurrito]

Lul, PETA.

[LegionPrime]

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
PETA is not what I would ever consider to be an unbiased or objective reference for ANYTHING.