I don't like vetiver

**p.m.a.** · 07-27-2012, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by Matt555

I don't know if Encre Noir fits that description. I do not remember it as grassy or earthy. I remember it smelling inky. Yes....inky.

I know what you mean - I also get "inky". I've read several descriptions of a "mineral" note, and I can kind of understand that as well. I agree it's not grassy, not quite earthy, but to me it's defintely not sweet like TF Grey Vetiver and not powdery like L'Occitane Vetyver. It's a rather stark scent. To me it has more in common with FM Vetiver Extraordinaire, perhaps because of the wood notes.

**delamain** · 07-27-2012, 12:49 PM

Matt,
I've read the inky description before but its hard to put it into perspective without trying it. I'll probably try and get a decant from The Perfumed Court or some place like that. I don't want to spend $50 on something I can't wear.

Matt/PMA,
Do you guys like the Encre Noir, because of/in spite of the ink note?

**Matt555** · 07-27-2012, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by delamain

Matt,
I've read the inky description before but its hard to put it into perspective without trying it. I'll probably try and get a decant from The Perfumed Court or some place like that. I don't want to spend $50 on something I can't wear.

Matt/PMA,
Do you guys like the Encre Noir, because of/in spite of the ink note?

Well do not buy it from the perfumed court. You can get it here much cheaper.......
http://www.checkitoutone.com/

I did not like it and got rid of my decant. I kinda' wish I kept it now to try again so I might end up getting another decant. It is just a very peculiar scent. Very linear, very strong, and very long lasting. All good things if you happen to like it though. It is very "flat" for lack of a better term. There is really no citrus or soapiness or anything blended in. That might be why is just smells so strong of ink to me.

**p.m.a.** · 07-27-2012, 01:27 PM

I like it. It's a unique take on vetiver, though it is quite linear. Also, it's affordable and easy to obtain - I think it's a really great value. At the same time it doesn't seem to be ubiquitous.

**Matt555** · 07-27-2012, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by p.m.a.

I like it. It's a unique take on vetiver, though it is quite linear. Also, it's affordable and easy to obtain - I think it's a really great value. At the same time it doesn't seem to be ubiquitous.

Unless you buy it at Neimens or wherever. Then it is like $120. I have seen it on Amazon for like $45 on the past.

**delamain** · 07-27-2012, 04:25 PM

Boomer doesn't deal with Canada. The USPS/Canada Post shipping restrictions against alcohol mean that most American sellers won't deal with us. I've heard TPC does.

It also makes eBay purchases particularly precarious; it is a Russian Roulette scenario unless the seller "disguises" the contents of the package - most won't.

Fragrancex does Canadian orders; their prices are around $50 so I think that is fair, if I ever choose to purchase it.

I think the inky description is appealing to me; I also like cedar, and that's the other dominant component from what I gather.

I don't mind if it is linear so long as I like it in the first place. lol

Therein lies the rub...

**Matt555** · 07-27-2012, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by delamain

Boomer doesn't deal with Canada. The USPS/Canada Post shipping restrictions against alcohol mean that most American sellers won't deal with us. I've heard TPC does.

It also makes eBay purchases particularly precarious; it is a Russian Roulette scenario unless the seller "disguises" the contents of the package - most won't.

Fragrancex does Canadian orders; their prices are around $50 so I think that is fair, if I ever choose to purchase it.

I think the inky description is appealing to me; I also like cedar, and that's the other dominant component from what I gather.

I don't mind if it is linear so long as I like it in the first place. lol

Therein lies the rub...

Sorry about that. I did not notice you were in Canada. Well, $50 is a pretty good deal considering what it would be in a store. You probably could list it here on B/S/T if you end up not liking it and get some of your money back. It really is a hit or miss fragrances. I can honestly say I have never smelled anything like it. Let us know what you think if you take the plunge.

**delamain** · 07-27-2012, 08:09 PM

No problem. I'm still waiting on my first Fragrancex order; hopefully that arrives. After that, I'm thinking about getting Gucci Pour Homme (2003) and a few other things that'd likely be more versatile, so it'll definitely be awhile before I get the Encre Noir. I'll get back to you if I do, though...

**Matt555** · 07-27-2012, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by delamain

No problem. I'm still waiting on my first Fragrancex order; hopefully that arrives. After that, I'm thinking about getting Gucci Pour Homme (2003) and a few other things that'd likely be more versatile, so it'll definitely be awhile before I get the Encre Noir. I'll get back to you if I do, though...

From what I understand, Gucci Pour Homme has, or is being discontinued. I saw it Sephora's today though which makes me question whether or not that is true. I have actually never smelled it before today. I thought it was nice. It is hard to say much more considering I only smelled it on a tester strip for a moment.

**Catalin** · 07-27-2012, 09:03 PM

Lalique's Encre Noire is my favourite evening vetiver. Guerlain's is my favourite daytime (office) one. I love them both, and no other vetiver quite measures up; not even the much-praised Floris, which I own as well.

I got the most compliments while wearing Encre Noire, and I own many frags. EN does indeed have an inky note, and, true to it's name, it is dark. In addition to the black ink, I sometimes get a burnt wood note; not a bad one, but a beautiful, edgy, manly note. It's a truly intoxicating!

**CHSeifert** · 07-28-2012, 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by delamain

I'm planning blind buys of Guerlain Vetiver and Encre Noir.

I like things on the grassier, earthier, mustier side of the spectrum - I hope they will make me happy.

They will, I'm pretty sure !

Also look into getting Terre D'Hermés Pure Perfume version - it has main accords of an earthy muscy grapefruit with a clear vetiver in the background.....

**delamain** · 07-28-2012, 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by Matt555

From what I understand, Gucci Pour Homme has, or is being discontinued. I saw it Sephora's today though which makes me question whether or not that is true. I have actually never smelled it before today. I thought it was nice. It is hard to say much more considering I only smelled it on a tester strip for a moment.

Gucci Pour Homme 1 (2003) is discontinued. That's the one I want and the reason why its priority is high. It is amber-coloured and cedar/incense dominant; is that what you saw in Sephora?

Gucci Pour Homme 2 (2007) is the blue juice. It has a prominent black tea accord. That is still in production. It may be nice, but it doesn't sound like it is my style.

Back to vetivers!

Catalin, that is exactly what I am hoping for. I'm envisioning Guerlain as kind of an everyday signature scent for me, based on what I've read and the notes I've encountered in other frags. Encre Noir is more polarizing, as we've seen, but I love the description of a dark woodsy inky vetiver. I guess I won't know for real until I try them both! Hopefully, our taste is similar and I won't be disappointed. (There may be niche frags to rival them, but for affordability and availability I think that those two will be better for me)

CHSeifert, thanks for the recommendation! Surprisingly fragrancex carries a 75ml version of the Pure Perfume version, as well as the other TdH formats. I've heard that the Terre d'Hermes carries some similarities with Encre Noir but it is only now that I check the notes that I see how radicallly different the composition appears to be. I guess the comparisons just come from the iso E super content found in both frags...

**CHSeifert** · 07-28-2012, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by delamain

CHSeifert, thanks for the recommendation! Surprisingly fragrancex carries a 75ml version of the Pure Perfume version, as well as the other TdH formats. I've heard that the Terre d'Hermes carries some similarities with Encre Noir but it is only now that I check the notes that I see how radicallly different the composition appears to be. I guess the comparisons just come from the iso E super content found in both frags...

Encre Noir have almost NOTHING in common with TDH !

I own both the EDT and PP version of TDH and the Encre Noir, they are very different fragrances.
The TDH EDT is a bit lighter and more citric than the TDH PP is, but neither have anything remotely similar to Encre Noir's earthy darkness.

TDH does have a light earthy vibe, but Encre Noir's earthy vibe is far far darker......IMHO

YMMV

**1952tat2** · 08-30-2012, 11:19 AM

I'm a big fan of MPG's Route du Vetiver, but for Fall/Winter use, only. In Spring/Summer, it's Guerlain's Vetiver.

Two others which I highly recommend are: Caroline Herrera's Sensual Vetyver, and Jo Malone's Black Vetyver Cafe (the latter is a close-in scent; no room-filling scent projection, but she'll notice).

**Matt555** · 08-30-2012, 09:48 PM

I see this thread has been resurected so I will throw in a few things.

As for the Gucci I "is it discontinued" debate.....I don't think it is. Sephora still stocks it in store. This alone does not mean it is for sure still in production, but I though I would share. It just seems like Sephora has continued caring it for quite some time since it was supposedly discontinued.

I am a fan of TF Gray Vetiver now thanks to member erickson. A really fine fragrance. I am having more and more trouble however figuring out what "vetiver" smells like. I don't think I would have known TF Gray Vetiver was a vetiver scent if it was not in the name.

Oh yea, and CHSeifert is right. TdH and Encre Nori have nothing in common except for there high Iso E Super content (according to this article).
http://perfumeshrine.blogspot.com/20...ults-geza.html