Thanks you gentlemen! I now have an AD wish list started. I'm realizing that there is a fine line between soaps, croap, & soft (Italian) soaps. I brush load from a tub of Cella and a sample of TOBS now. I usually load the brush and go to face lathering but sometimes I will build the lather in the bowl first. Whatever you call the product I can see there are some high quality products recommended here that are "must try". Thanks again!