Jack3d DMAA

[Manning]

Why has Jack3d been pulled from the shelves? I went to my local shop and they were out, the owner said it had been pulled from many websites. So of course I went to google and found a lot of very conflicting info. Most pointing to DMAA. I would assume this is a voluntary pull to get the product back on the shelves in army bases?

[Illadelphia]

Dmaa has been booted. It has been in the works for a long time now. It won't be back. After numerous people failed drug tests because of it, Jacob (owner of USP) has a metric ton of lawsuits he has to deal with. So public outcry, coupled with users making hospital trips, it was bound to happen.


In all honesty, it has been surpassed by Matt Cahill (Driven sports) newest offering: Craze

[Manning]

Dmaa has been booted. It has been in the works for a long time now. It won't be back. After numerous people failed drug tests because of it, Jacob (owner of USP) has a metric ton of lawsuits he has to deal with. So public outcry, coupled with users making hospital trips, it was bound to happen.


In all honesty, it has been surpassed by Matt Cahill (Driven sports) newest offering: Craze

Good to know. It was never my favorite, but it was cheap. I got some Hemo rage uc today, because it was there on the shelf and the ingredients were similar to jack3d. Next time I'll give craze a try . . . until that becomes popular and users start going to the hospital ( with no proven link to the product).

[BingeAndPurge]

Been waiting for this thread to pop up. Anything with 1,3d is gone, banned by the FDA. Never been a big fan anyway, and I like my stims. Only yohimbine makes me crash harder into a completely irritable mess.

Preworkouts come in two camps, really: pump or energy. The stimulant side of prewo mixes began overdoing it, in my opinion. My latest venture is iForce's Maximize, and I made the mistake of trying it out before a run. It reminded me how much I don't like the 1,3d, but I've heard good things about stacking it with Hemavol (which I have yet to order) and it was 50% off when I stopped into the shop last week, so I snatched it up. Thinking I might hold off on using anymore of it until I get the Hemavol to cut it with.

White Flood has always been my favorite. Decent pump, ok energy, creatine and 1,3d free (I prefer my creatine separate), and pretty good on the serving/tub/cost ratio comparatively.

[azmark]

There were a few soldiers who died during training AFTER they took Jack3d and I think that really catapulted the move. IMO, the government should stay out of the supplement business but that's just me.

I only use a stim pre workout on Sunday's and that is leg days and I need it. I still have a can of NO Explode from last summer. I love Evogen's EVP for a non stim, very expensive but I never looked so vascular and felt more pumped during my workouts.

[Manning]

Well, here's this. The FdA Announcement requiring DMAA manufacturers to show that their product is safe. How a manufacturer can show that a product is safe, I do not know. "hey, here's a guy, been taking Jack3d 3 years. He's not dead.". FDA

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsro.../ucm302133.htm

[Illadelphia]

Stimmed workout products are ok, but very low stims and no stims I had always gravitated towards.

MAN Sports Body Octane
Omega Sports Ultima
Xtreme Formulations Vengeance

Tops imho. Ultima's formula (done 2-3 years ago) was amazing in its depth.