Ok, Alex, BOTOC, what is it?

[RailroadMan]

Serial no. P422843, I think:

[xraygun]

I've seen that handle before somewhere... hmm.

[Vickers]

Looks like a Gillette Old with part of the handle, plus an Ever Ready handle, taken by a camera with petroleum jelly on the lens.

What did I win??!!!???!?

[RailroadMan]

Looks like a Gillette Old with part of the handle, plus an Ever Ready handle, taken by a camera with petroleum jelly on the lens.

What did I win??!!!???!?

I'm n ot a good photographer. You have won making me feel bad about myself. Not really. I knew the handle looked familiar.

[RailroadMan]

And it is a 1912 handle.

[Vickers]

Also, you should never put "BOTOC" in a thread title...it's like yelling "Beetlejuice" three times.

They'll swarm over you like fire ants!!!

[Heespharm]

Yup BOTOC to the rescue it's an old type with a 1912 handle I'm sure of it

[GreekGuy]

Its a Single Ring whose head came unattached from the tube, most likely because it cracked and split as they have a tendency to do. Somebody used a 1912 handle to make up for the tube and threaded knob from the Single ring.

Talk about a frankenrazor

[amishmotorboat]

Can't be a single ring. There would be nothing to keep the cap on since the 1912 handle is a male thread. Has to be a ball end old type.

[GreekGuy]

Can't be a single ring. There would be nothing to keep the cap on since the 1912 handle is a male thread. Has to be a ball end old type.

Good call Amish. So the 1912 handle is glued into the ring portion of the old type handle?

[Azarius]

Also, you should never put "BOTOC" in a thread title...it's like yelling "Beetlejuice" three times.

They'll swarm over you like fire ants!!!

LOL, that is pretty good. Even at all hours of the night and day.

Nothing add that hadn't been said...old type head on a 1912 handle, looks like there is some homemade adapter ring between the head and handle.

[bluesbishop]

Also, you should never put "BOTOC" in a thread title...it's like yelling "Beetlejuice" three times.

They'll swarm over you like fire ants!!!

Yup BOTOC to the rescue it's an old type with a 1912 handle I'm sure of it

LOL, that is pretty good. Even at all hours of the night and day.

Nothing add that hadn't been said...old type head on a 1912 handle, looks like there is some homemade adapter ring between the head and handle.

Even at this time of morning...us BOTOC fire ants are ready!!

I would agree that it is a Old type head modded to accept a 1912 handle

[jbradley]

In brightest day and darkest night, all OC's shall be named right! The "P" puts it in 1921. It could be single ring, but the handle would have to have been drilled & tapped. Could be a ball end, but the 1912 handle would be glues or soldered to the end of the old handle. The only way to made a good ID is to see it disassembled. Frankenrazor either way. I bet the balance is way butt heavy isn't it?

[RailroadMan]

It isn't modified. Just has the 1912 crammed into the top part of the ball end. Haven't tried it yet. If it is an old type, should be silver, what about the 1912 handle? Can I clean it with the same method?

[alex2363]

Most of our BOTOC'ers got it, Ornate handle gued on to a portion of the Single ring Old Type razor, a OLD TYPE GEM 1912 and 1921 razor, also known as this

[bluesbishop]

In brightest day and darkest night, all OC's shall be named right! .....

Johnnie...that sounded alot like Doctor Bombay....you watching reruns of Bewitched again? LOL

[BBrad]

It isn't modified. Just has the 1912 crammed into the top part of the ball end. Haven't tried it yet. If it is an old type, should be silver, what about the 1912 handle? Can I clean it with the same method?

Gillette started using nickel plating during WWI, so it may not be silver. In fact, it doesn't look tarnished enough to be silver plated. The ASR handle was probably nickel plated as well, but most of them have had the plating worn off the rough-textured surface of the handle exposing the underlying brass.

Best clean-up is with dish soap and hot water, followed by a light polishing with MAAS or Simichrome. Interesting razor, and it illustrates how thrifty (and crafty) folks were back then to keep their razor going for a few more years . . . or decades, as the case may be! Sad that we are now a disposable society . . . break your Fusion handle, toss it and buy a new one!

[kpg102]

Johnnie...that sounded alot like Doctor Bombay....you watching reruns of Bewitched again? LOL

Sounds more like Green Lantern:

	In brightest day, in blackest night,No evil shall escape my sightLet those who worship evil's might,Beware my power, Green Lantern's light!!!

[jbradley]

Johnnie...that sounded alot like Doctor Bombay....you watching reruns of Bewitched again? LOL

Sounds more like Green Lantern:

	In brightest day, in blackest night,No evil shall escape my sightLet those who worship evil's might,Beware my power, Green Lantern's light!!!

I wondered if I was the only one to remember the similarity between the two.

[woodfluter]

In brightest day and darkest night, all OC's shall be named right! The "P" puts it in 1921. It could be single ring, but the handle would have to have been drilled & tapped. Could be a ball end, but the 1912 handle would be glues or soldered to the end of the old handle. The only way to made a good ID is to see it disassembled. Frankenrazor either way. I bet the balance is way butt heavy isn't it?

Should be 1921, but weren't some of the pocket sets still sporting serial numbers on baseplates in that year? If a single ring, it would have just the threaded stud on the head and a rather large hole through the top insert of the handle...don't think that's easily modified.

But say you're living in the 1920s or even the Depression years, and the tube cracks badly on your 1921 pocket set. And you have a Gem 1912 from anywhere in that time frame, with the common chain-link handle. And you're frugal. So you go down to the mechanic on the corner and ask him to drill and tap a hole partway into the bottom of the Gillette head insert. Done!