Don't fear the tallow-unless you are allergic.
I have VERY oily skin and use tallow soaps all the time-they provide me with some of my best shaves. The only soap so far that gives me the same smooth feel is MdC (which is non tallow and expensive and worth it!)
"Noble Knight of the Veg Table"
Thanks to all for the rec's and insight as well. It gives me a little more incentive to try some of these tallow soaps ive been depriving myself of, and if tallow ends up being not for me I have some options to consider.
soap without tallow..................
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I have always wondered about the objections to tallow soaps and I believed naively about the nature of such things. I believe that animal cruelty is a horrible thing and believe that anyone whom wishes to make a choice between being a vegetarian or not; is a deeply personnel choice based on many experiences/philosophies. I am not a vegetarian, but I eat very little meat and certainly enjoy a good "vegetarian meal" because I enjoy them ;and also a good slab of meat cooked on the barbie.
What stands in my mind is a certain Nigella Lawson episode where she condemned people who wont touch meat as the feel sick about it being raw etc but am still happy eat it. I feel this is the same for my initial tallow based rejection of soaps until I thought about that particular episode (love you Nigella). I am happy to eat an animal; but not put a processed and scented by product on my face. I like to maintain a level of grooming and I find it relaxing taking pride in my appearance (even though I am ugly as sin). I use no other "products" such as moisturizers/toners (apart from after shave balm) I had made my mind up and tried a tallow based soap. All is well and I do like them, as I like a glycerine based soap. I find the MWF very nice.
Give yourself a break. As for the non tallow based I do like the Edward Jaguar Sandalwood subtle yet the scent stays for a while.
Soap without tallow is but the ruin of the soul. However, with an oily skin, La Toja tallowless sticks are interesting (a little dry on the skin, very good lather).
Extra sebum nulla salus
Honeybee Soaps has a selection of nice shave sticks, all of the melt and pour type. They do come in a deodorant-type container so they are larger than most shave sticks on the market. I don't have any problem getting lather from the stick in my medicine cabinet.
Another vote for Provence Sante Green Tea, a wonderful soap!
Jay - LOSER, Cult of Arko, The CHOSEN, TOFLAC-U
I will second, or third, the recommendation for Dr Dittmar soap.
You are welcome to your opinion, and I respect your right to your own opinion. From my perspective, however, the ideas expressed in your post are internally inconsistent. In order to eat the meat, the animal has to be killed. Parts of that animal who sacrificed its life for our meat are discarded and put to no use. My own opinion is that if we are going to ask an animal to give up its life, the least we can do is make the most possible use out of that animal. That would mean, for example, using the tallow to make a nice shaving soap rather than discarding it. If you think about it, doesn't that make sense? I feel like, if anything, we are paying respect to the animal by putting all of it to its best uses; and, conversely, we would be almost desecrating the animal to not utilize as much of it as possible.
Of course, this is only my opinion.
Randall, member of BOTOC
I would also add TOBS Sandalwood and Lavender. I get great lather from both in the new formulations. YMMV
Bill. Pipes, Photography and Member of the BOTOC
My Shave Cave
In my opinion there are many vegetable soaps that perform at the same high level of the best tallow ones. My favourite veggie soaps are:
Martin de Candre
La Toja Manantiales
La Toja stick
RazoRock La Famiglia
RazoRock King Louis
The Cade is a very good soap, too.
Marco, Old School Wet Shaver
Steward in the B&B Shave Clinic & Newbie Check-In forum
"Because a real Gentleman shaves, every morning" (My grandfather)
[devils advocate] By purchasing the secondary/by-products, you help make economically feasible to continue killing the animal in the first place. If the slaughterhouse didn't get extra revenue from the byproducts, the price of meat would rise such that fewer people would eat red meat and fewer animals would be killed. [/devils advocate]
Just call me Chris.
Interesting argument, but unlikely under current circumstances. World beef production continues to increase, while tallow production is on the decline. This is partly because the beef market now demands leaner meat products, and because demand for tallow is also declining there is no downside to raising leaner animals. This was not always true: go back to the 19th century and tallow and hides were at least as important as beef. The situation might change again if tallow becomes an important feedstock for biodiesel, but I remain skeptical about that.
Getting back to shaving... I like some vegetable soaps, but I think avoiding tallow is misguided because the alternatives are not really any more ethical. Palm oil production is terrible for rainforest habitats.
Any of the VDH soaps.