Over Honing

[paco664]

http://straightrazorplace.com/srpwik...php/Overhoning

hope this clarify's things ;-)

lies and propaganda....

[Pkrankow]

http://straightrazorplace.com/srpwik...php/Overhoning

hope this clarify's things ;-)

That sums it up in my experience. Take a low grit hone (say a $2 synthetic imported knife hone) On the coarse side use heavy pressure, a burr forms that is very difficult to remove because it is very thick. The blade is more rolled over than anything else. You can flip the blade and start honing, the burr will simply get pushed to the other side instead of broken off. Eventually you will form a strip of foil you can grab and peel off the edge.

Never done this with a razor or good pocket knife, I have had this happen on a crappy Pakistan knife I carried for a couple years...it was a knife shaped pry bar made out of a soft material that was magnetic like steel.

Phil

[bhorsoft]

Well, if you started your honing session with 6/8 blade and have a 3/8 blade at the end of the session you might have over honed. OTOH, if you pass HHT4 with your "new" 3/8 then go ahead and shave with it.

[paco664]

Well, if you started your honing session with 6/8 blade and have a 3/8 blade at the end of the session you might have over honed. OTOH, if you pass HHT4 with your "new" 3/8 then go ahead and shave with it.

"sorry... your 150yr old 9/8ths wade and butcher "celebrated" is a 4/8ths now and no longer smiling..... but damn it has a wicked edge"...

[honed]

When my brain files for divorce from Honed, the court documents will read:






Other than that, yeah it's part of the over mystification of the honing process so that the masses will be fearful of honing their own razors and instead keep forking over $20 to their razor pimps.

When If would have been nicer... But it's for comments like that I do want to marry your brain. But I guess that wasn't the topic here

lies and propaganda....

Actually that WIKI article is more proof to me just how messed up this whole myth is. the article it self is a big mess.
It's full of contradictions & weird "facts" I.e not applicable to real life. The same goes for the theory. The cake is a lie.

But I guess this horse has taken more then it can handle all ready...

[Seraphim]

http://straightrazorplace.com/srpwik...php/Overhoning

hope this clarify's things ;-)

Info direct from inside the propaganda headquarters!

[Seraphim]

But it's for comments like that I do want to marry your brain. But I guess that wasn't the topic here

Can I get a forum restraining order?

[Kentos]

Maybe it should be called mishoning?

If a razor is properly HTd wouldn't that fin shear off easily?

[Earcutter]

Well the story does say it's a work in process lol. I can see it more in a knife, but to "over-hone" a straight would leave me to believe that you are really having a bad day lol.

I am with Kent in that it should be called mishoning or maybe more bluntly @#$@% - up lol.

[danjared]

Well, I don't know what overhoning is, but most people are referring to it when using excessive lap counts and/or higher pressure on high grit stones. I don't know what happens, but the edge will pass HHT easily, excels at all sharpness tests, and looks fine under the scope. If you try to shave with it, than the razor will be harsh on your skin. If you look at it under the scope again, than you can see "shadows" at parts of the edge, it seems like it has been bent to one side. I don't know what this is, but I call this overhoning, maybe it means something else to others.

That would be from a burr. The same people claiming that overhoning exists also would tell me not to use the thumbnail test past the bevel setting stage so I don't ruin the edge (also bunk), but that test would also help tell me if there is a burr.

[PapaFish]

I had a foil edge form once. It was on a low grit stone with high pressure while removing a big chip from the tip of the razor. The foil edge got really big, easily visible with the naked eye (maybe 3mm x 3mm). I peeled it off when I was done establishing the bevel, then moved up in grits, with no further problems. I could understand the high pressure having aided in the formation of the wire edge, as materials can change the way they react depending on the scale and pressure used. I once saw a video of how (normally brittle) silicon was able to have the surface smoothed by use of high pressure with a very small, very sharp tip. The surface was not abraded or cut as one would expect, but deformed plasticly. The guys presenting the video had theories as to why the deformation happened as it did, but they readily admitted that it was just speculation with nothing to back it up.

[Earcutter]

I had a foil edge form once. It was on a low grit stone with high pressure while removing a big chip from the tip of the razor. The foil edge got really big, easily visible with the naked eye (maybe 3mm x 3mm). I peeled it off when I was done establishing the bevel, then moved up in grits, with no further problems. I could understand the high pressure having aided in the formation of the wire edge, as materials can change the way they react depending on the scale and pressure used. I once saw a video of how (normally brittle) silicon was able to have the surface smoothed by use of high pressure with a very small, very sharp tip. The surface was not abraded or cut as one would expect, but deformed plasticly. The guys presenting the video had theories as to why the deformation happened as it did, but they readily admitted that it was just speculation with nothing to back it up.

Cool Post Papa - I would say however, that you were trying to take metal off the blade and seemingly you did lol. I just figure that as we hone our razors we are really trying hard to balance an edge while keeping as much metal on the blade as possible.

So yeah - it'll happen, but it seems to me it'll happen only under exceptional circumstances - well that's my 2 cents anyway...

[whipdog]

I have never experienced overhoning myself or if I did I just thought I did a shit e job of honing. I have seen it mentioned more with the use of manmade stones but I too think it is a pretty retarded concept. I saw a picture a few days ago of instuctions with a old coticule (dont remember the name brand but the pic was probably 100 years old) and it mentioned overhoning so it is not a new concept. I will try to find the picture again.

[whipdog]

I pasted the link below. The section on honing mention overhoning a few times but it defines overhoning as "razors that cut rough" or something like that. Seems like someone just pulled the term out of thin air. I think page 18-19 of the actual Essay (or page 23-24 of the webpage) is where the overhoning is mentioned.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/34507911/1...s-Razor-Honing

[Raithskar]

All I use are coticules, and if you are doing your dilutions properly there is no such thing. If you are not diluting properly the only thing that is happening is slurry dulling, which does exist.

So in short.......Over Honing=BS IMHO.

Jon

[Earcutter]

I pasted the link below. The section on honing mention overhoning a few times but it defines overhoning as "razors that cut rough" or something like that. Seems like someone just pulled the term out of thin air. I think page 18-19 of the actual Essay (or page 23-24 of the webpage) is where the overhoning is mentioned.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/34507911/1...s-Razor-Honing

Thanks for the Link whipdog - great read!!

[CrotalusHH]

Over honing has been explained to me as getting the edge too thin and causing it to fold over.

As other people have said I don't really see how this can happen if you are honing edge first and switching sides every lap. I think it is just a possible consequence of poor technique.

On another forum I asked this question and all I got in return was silence.

[paco664]

Over honing has been explained to me as getting the edge too thin and causing it to fold over.

As other people have said I don't really see how this can happen if you are honing edge first and switching sides every lap. I think it is just a possible consequence of poor technique.

On another forum I asked this question and all I got in return was silence.

your lucky you weren't banned.... lol...

tell them you think your gold dollar is possibly overhoned...

[danjared]

http://straightrazorplace.com/advanc...oning-art.html

[professorchaos]

http://straightrazorplace.com/advanc...oning-art.html

Yeah, that's over honed. In an entirely different sense.