My initial shave with the SZ cream was with the first use of my new duke 3 manchurian.The lather was thin,with no glide or protection.I blamed it on the brush not being broken in,I was wrong.The next 2 shaves were with tried and true vie-long horses ,both with 23mm knots ,and using more cream,less water.The exact same results.The lather puffed up nicely,but has no body to it,I adjusted the cream/water ratio a few times to no avail.This cream smells wonderful,and the old fashioned metal tube is great,but I will have to pass on purchasing this one again....