New to honing: The One Stone Honing Method

[FauxPax]

I have read that instead of using multiple stones to hone a razor, one can use a single Belgian coticule with a slurry stone to take a razor from through bevel setting to the finishing/polishing stage. If so, can someone point me in the right direction as this appeals to me.

[smalltank]

Coti can do all except remove chips

[FauxPax]

Any idea of how much I should expect to spend on one and where I can find one?

[Great White Shavealo]

Any idea of how much I should expect to spend on one and where I can find one?

Here is the best place I know to go. Jarrod will take care of you.

The Superior Shave.

[Lexbomb]

With patience you can remove small chips with a coti. check out thesuperiorshave.com

[Obiwan]

+1. Jarrod is a fantastic guy to deal with and can't point you in a good direction once you tell him your budget.

Also, budget permitting, you may want to consider buying a bevel setter as well to speed things up. A ~1k will do the trick nicely.

[Legion]

TSS will hook you up with a stone and a slurry stone and Jarrod is very helpful when choosing your rock. All the info and "how toos" are here if you do a search.

How much will it cost? The size and shape of the stone will be the main determining factor. You pay a lot for real estate in coticule land.

[Pkrankow]

Coticule can do it all, even removing small chips, but removing chips takes so long you will want a fester better method. I recommend either a DMT or a Naniwa Chosera 1k for repairs.

125x40 is big enough, but bigger is nicer. I rather like my 150x50 as a pleasant size.

Phil

[Legion]

If I only had one coticule and my DMT 600 for repairs I could do 90% of all my honing requirements.

[GreekGuy]

If I only had one coticule and my DMT 600 for repairs I could do 90% of all my honing requirements.

In all seriousness, what about the other 10%?

[gary haywood]

I've removed chips with my coticules set bevels and finished . i tend to use a 1k choersa to save my coticule , then i move to coticule for unicot or dilucot, in your case get a coticule that is fast with slurry . then just use unicot method . Its easy method and it works very well .ust the other night i set bevel on a tiny la verte100x30mm, followed by unicot method .the shave was fantastic, the method was just so quik and easy . icoticules are fun to use ... You can always add a 1k stone later or a 600.

[Legion]

In all seriousness, what about the other 10%?

The other 10% I might need my extra skinny coticule as well (warped blades, etc.), and I don't like to wear out my Coticules with big knives, so I use other stones for them.

[GreekGuy]

The other 10% I might need my extra skinny coticule as well (warped blades, etc.), and I don't like to wear out my Coticules with big knives, so I use other stones for them.

Thanks for your thoughts. I've been taking a serious look at my honing setup and trying to figure out what I'm missing

[shakin_jake]

I have read that instead of using multiple stones to hone a razor, one can use a single Belgian coticule with a slurry stone to take a razor from through bevel setting to the finishing/polishing stage. If so, can someone point me in the right direction as this appeals to me.

~~~here's your homework reading assignments:

http://www.coticule.be/dilucot-honing-method.html

http://www.coticule.be/strokes.html

http://www.coticule.be/edge-maintenance.html


Best,


Jake
Reddick Fla.

P.S. I forgot one...Gary recommended for you to try Unicot

http://www.coticule.be/unicot.html

which is dilucot with a layer of electrical tape added to the spine

[Chefbaze]

which is dilucot with a layer of electrical tape added to the spine

It seems from the outlines on these links from coticule.be, the difference between the two, is allot more than just electrical tape....

There is a very gradual dilution process to dilucot, which seems to be the entire basis of that method, so as to achieve maximum cutting property of the slurry, while diluting before slurry dulling can take place..Where as with unicot, there isnt a gradual dilution.. There are 2 completely new slurries created, with the second one being made slightly thinner.. Then the second is thinned just once....and finally plain water.....They seem to be completely different methods altogether.....with the bevel being set without tape, on unicot, and tape added during the final ” lighter” and polishing stages....again, I'm very new to this...but this is what I get from the links you've posted...

[johnmrson]

Can I suggest a coticule and a double sided DMT (1000/600). With these two, you can pretty much do everything. I think bevel setting is a lot easier with a 1000 DMT and the 600 DMT is pretty good at removing chips and helping to fix warped spines etc.

[shakin_jake]

It seems from the outlines on these links from coticule.be, the difference between the two, is allot more than just electrical tape....

There is a very gradual dilution process to dilucot, which seems to be the entire basis of that method, so as to achieve maximum cutting property of the slurry, while diluting before slurry dulling can take place..Where as with unicot, there isnt a gradual dilution.. There are 2 completely new slurries created, with the second one being made slightly thinner.. Then the second is thinned just once....and finally plain water.....They seem to be completely different methods altogether.....with the bevel being set without tape, on unicot, and tape added during the final ” lighter” and polishing stages....again, I'm very new to this...but this is what I get from the links you've posted...

~~~~Good morning Chef!...wait, it's a minute after noon here=:-)...I went back to read both articles, again (for the umpteenth time=:-) Perhaps there are a few details getting from bevel correction to the final edge that differs besides the obvious addition of a layer of tape yet essentially, both processes are the same, IMO

What you are doing different with Unicot by adding a layer of electrical tape to the spine is to create a secondary bevel. My understanding of this process is to achieve a slightly higher sharper edge outcome than you can get with dilucot

FWIW and I'm just talking out loud to whomever will listen to my ramblings ...I prefer to do dilucot for several reasons. For one, to get a good shaving edge your technique must be good, but don't misunderstand me, I believe you need to get a good shaving edge using Dilucot before taping the spine to achieve Unicot, to build best upon better, yet, you can in theory achieve a marginal shaving edge doing Dilucot, and improve that edge by taping performing Unicot

Another reason I prefer Dilly over Uni...it's easier for me to remember what I've done when it comes time to maintain that edge as I'm not a note taker

I think too from my experience performing both of these edges, doing Unicot is a glimpse of how good your Dilucot edge can and should be. Others may have better and different ideas


Best,


Jake
Reddick Fla.

[shakin_jake]

Can I suggest a coticule and a double sided DMT (1000/600). With these two, you can pretty much do everything. I think bevel setting is a lot easier with a 1000 DMT and the 600 DMT is pretty good at removing chips and helping to fix warped spines etc.

~~~Agreed!, but if you only have these two hones, how are you ever going to satisfy an ever growing hone AD?



Best,


Jake
Reddick Fla.

[paco664]

just another coticule option....

www.knifecenter.com

search for coticule and they have a boker for 80ish.... i have one.... it is very very nice... good size 6.5"x1.5"x1" and is a natural combo.....

http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthr...day?highlight=

[Kentos]

I am getting nice edges off a jnat and full nagura set. Another variation on the single stone set up.