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    Just received my first bottle of India OS from WCS last week. Upon closer examination, the label states that while it IS made in India, it is not manufactured by Shulton, but something called Rubicon Formulations, and marketed by P&G. Also not too jazzed that they're using pthalates as an alcohol denaturant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Bludd View Post
    Just received my first bottle of India OS from WCS last week. Upon closer examination, the label states that while it IS made in India, it is not manufactured by Shulton, but something called Rubicon Formulations, and marketed by P&G. Also not too jazzed that they're using pthalates as an alcohol denaturant.
    What are phthalates? Thanks in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by August West View Post
    What are phthalates? Thanks in advance.
    Some phthalates are used as solvents (dissolving agents) for other materials. They are used in hundreds of products, such as vinyl flooring, adhesives, detergents, lubricating oils, automotive plastics, plastic clothes (raincoats), and personal-care products (soaps, shampoos, hair sprays, and nail polishes).

    Often used as a viscosity agent.

    In the Fourth National Report on Human Exposure to Environmental Chemicals (Fourth Report), CDC scientists measured 13 phthalate metabolites in the urine of 2,636 or more participants aged six years and older who took part in the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) during 2003–2004. For several phthalate metabolites, results from the prior survey periods of 1999–2000 and 2001–2002 are also included in the Fourth Report. By measuring phthalate metabolites in urine, scientists can estimate the amount of phthalates that have entered people's bodies.

    Finding a detectable amount of phthalate metabolites in urine does not imply that the levels of one or more will cause an adverse health effect.

    http://www.cdc.gov/biomonitoring/pht...factsheet.html

    Some groups have jumped on the phthalate bandwagon, much as was done with parabens.
    Some groups have a vested interest in that they sponsor or sell directly "natural" alternatives, and others may be considered of the "chicken little" (just in case) variety as no direct link has been shown between adverse health effects and the use of substances containing phthalates.

    Your own personal preferences aside, (use what you want, don't use what you don't wish to use) there is no scientific evidence that pthalates cause health issues.
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    Thanks, Phil.
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    Thanks for the deeper info. I had assumed that phthalate compounds were prima facie toxic. I'm not of the school that jumps on health scares or the propaganda and incomplete information espoused by natural product marketing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Bludd View Post
    Thanks for the deeper info. I had assumed that phthalate compounds were prima facie toxic. I'm not of the school that jumps on health scares or the propaganda and incomplete information espoused by natural product marketing.
    Thanks. There's more than enough of those guys out there. I don't think they have bad intent, quite the opposite. I think they think they are doing a service by warning others. Just seems as if there are more and more sites catering to the fearful these days.
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    Tell me about it!! I was quite dismayed to discover that DAX removing shampoo (I am a user of petrolatum based pomades) cannot be shipped to California because cocamide DEA is a banned ingredient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Bludd View Post
    Tell me about it!! I was quite dismayed to discover that DAX removing shampoo (I am a user of petrolatum based pomades) cannot be shipped to California because cocamide DEA is a banned ingredient.
    Yeah, California has really jumped on the panic bandwagon.
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    Phil


    Thanks for the CDC link. I do want to point out another passage from the article:


    "How Phthalates Affect People's Health
    Human health effects from exposure to low levels of phthalates are unknown. Some types of phthalates have affected the reproductive system of laboratory animals. More research is needed to assess the human health effects of exposure to phthalates."


    As you very reasonably stated, YMMV when it comes to such things. I'm of the school of thought that while I don't freak out over every possible toxic substance to the point of locking myself in my house, I do figure that if the effects of a given substance are unknown, but there is evidence of ill effects in animal studies, and the substance is absorbed by exposure to the point of appreciable detectability in urine, I'll avoid the substance to the extent that it is practical to do so. In other words, I live my life and accept reasonable risk but don't seek out unnecessary risk.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kramerica View Post
    Phil


    Thanks for the CDC link. I do want to point out another passage from the article:


    "How Phthalates Affect People's Health
    Human health effects from exposure to low levels of phthalates are unknown. Some types of phthalates have affected the reproductive system of laboratory animals. More research is needed to assess the human health effects of exposure to phthalates."


    As you very reasonably stated, YMMV when it comes to such things. I'm of the school of thought that while I don't freak out over every possible toxic substance to the point of locking myself in my house, I do figure that if the effects of a given substance are unknown, but there is evidence of ill effects in animal studies, and the substance is absorbed by exposure to the point of appreciable detectability in urine, I'll avoid the substance to the extent that it is practical to do so. In other words, I live my life and accept reasonable risk but don't seek out unnecessary risk.


    Just another opinion.
    I appreciate your point and understand.
    For me, the animal studies where they typically apply massive doses over a short period of time are less indicative of how the same compound would react in "normal" doses over a lifetime in a totally different species.
    If you inject 3 ounces of mashed potatoes a day into a 13 ounce rat, I'm not surprised that there would be adverse affects. This is clearly over simplification, but you get my point.
    For me, life is too short to worry about maybe's and could be's. If there is evidence that a substance is harmful to humans, I'll avoid it.
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