that is awesome.. thanks for the research and analysis.
that is awesome.. thanks for the research and analysis.
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Thank you for all the hard work...it was fascinating!
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This is great but my wife likes the P&G Old Spice and I grew up in Cincinnati and could see P&G world head quaters every day so I am parshal to P&G products. I don't care if P&G changed things, the wife likes it, it gets the job done, it supports my home town, I am using it.
Having said that, I applaud P&G for continuing to market OS splash, even if I happen to prefer the scent of the Indian and vintage Shulton versions.
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What a fortuitous happenstance! I have recently bought and sold a number of bottles of Old Spice cologne and aftershave on E-Bay. These have included: one bottle of vintage Shulton Old Spice cologne circa 1977; one bottle of vintage Shulton Old Spice cologne circa 1988; one bottle of vintage Shulton Old Spice Fresh Lime cologne circa 1982; one bottle of Old Spice vintage P&G cologne circa 1993; one bottle of new Old Spice P&G cologne; one bottle of Old Spice vintage P&G aftershave circa 1993; one new bottle of Indian Old Spice Fresh Lime aftershave; one new bottle of Indian Old Spice aftershave; and finally, one new bottle of Old Spice P&G aftershave (whew!)
The results of my comparison were: both the vintage Shulton Old Spice cologne and Fresh Lime cologne from 1977 and 1982 smelled like the vintage Old Spice that I remember in the bottle, but had a "grassy" note to them, as if they had spoiled slightly over the years, once they were on my skin. The vintage bottle of Shulton Old Spice cologne circa 1988 smelled exactly the way I remember it both in the bottle and on my skin. The vintage bottle of P&G Old Spice cologne circa 1993 also smelled like the Old Spice that I remember both in the bottle and on my skin. The new bottle of P&G Old Spice cologne smelled different: it was weaker in the bottle, and it was more citrusy, and less powdery, on my skin.
All four bottles of Old Spice aftershave smelled exactly the way I remember Old Spice should smell, both in the bottle and on my skin (quite seriously, they were virtually identical). Although there were noticeable differences in the various bottles of cologne I tried, my subjective results for the aftershave were that the vintage and Indian stuff were nearly identical, just like the chromatographs mentioned in this thread. I did not detect large differences between the vintage, Indian, and P&G versions of aftershave, however.
Last edited by T-Dog; 03-01-2012 at 10:09 PM.
Fascinating stuff and thank you for posting your results. However, like at least one or two others, I prefer the new product vs. the two vintage bottles I have. I think it smells more *correct* to what I remember when I first started using this stuff in the late 60's. I am not a P&G hater.
Island Dreamer, a perfect example of YMMV. Being of the official Old Farts generation myself, the new product versus the old is a not even a after thought for me. The new does not smell *correct* to what I remember.
A argument that will forever go on I am sure.
One thing we can agree on tho is the fantastic analysis done by the OP... Kudos
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YES Sir , one freakin' awesome study and post. Wowza!
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Interesting fact is it is still bottled under contract by KiKCorp. They bottled the original product under Shulton before they were purchased by P&G.
Last edited by luvmysuper; 02-29-2012 at 10:29 PM.
I agree that P&G Old Spice compard to current Indian Shulton are very different. These results prove that conclusively for me. I'm hopeful this is true for old Shulton Old Spice as well.
I guess what's not clear is whether Old Shulton compared to current Shulton are different. Getting another sample of old Shulton should help out with that.
Also - Even if my sample was legit and other old Shulton sample prove that. Might there still be a difference in smell to some even if they are very, very close molecularly? I'm wondering if some folks with elevated olfactory senses are able to detect variations in some of these ingredients. For example, some essential oil purchased from one source in the 80's compared to purchasing the essential oil today from a different source with differeing processes to extract. Molecualry they are the same but perhaps there is still some slight difference a sensitive enough nose is able to detect?
When I found my bottle of the vintage stuff and took a whiff I was immediately taken back to my childhood in the late 70's. Your sense of smell is very closely connected to the memory part of your brain.
When I sniff the new stuff in the mall, nothing. That is proof enough for me that there have been changes, and that my vintage bottle has not aged too badly.
I gotta say that the experimental aspect of headspace gas chromatography is far from boring. I have great familiarity with it because it is utilized in prosecution against some of my clients. I thought I would despise learning it (I went to law school to be a lawyer, not a scientist, right?). It is very interesting.
Gotta say this was an awesome experiment. Great idea, great execution.
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Nice work indeed. Thanks for doing this.
I have heard other members before (topgumby?) mention that the addition of a small amount of the current P&G Old Spice cologne to Ivy Club spice yielded a product that more closely resembling the vintage Shulton aftershave.
Could this type of testing confirm that?
I love the science. Good job on the comparison!
A bit off topic - Big Lots had a batch of OS 'Classic' in the small bottles. They must have had a labeling error because they wanted 18 bucks for one of these bottle. WOW.
I laughed - Nothing special about this, new stuff, plastic bottles. If it was VINTAGE NOS, I could see it!
Anyway, great work! Nice to put expensive scientific instruments to good use!
Great work, fellas! Thanks for compiling and sharing your results. Most interesting.
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But no matter what you ever pointed out to him, he always wanted something else, to the point of asking for the impossible.
He just couldn't accept the possibility that someone else might be right because it was at odds with what he truly believed.
This just reminded me of him. I am not saying that is the case here, because, you know - YMMV etc etc etc