Joris, Fatip, and R89 old question
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I've heard that the Muhle/FaTip have the identical head and that the Joris is slightly different although clearly modeled on the same design. That said, I have no real confirmation of that claim. I'm in the group buy for the Fatip so hopefully, I'll be able to compare it with my Joris soon.
My information is only anecdotal from other threads here over the years but I understand that they are all very similar. I sometimes use an R89 on a heavy bulldog handle from Cooncatbob - far right in the pic. It's easily the most aggressive razor I own - more than a slant or a Barbasol. It also gives about the best shave of any of them but it needs some care. Fendrihan had the 89s for sale still quite recently, I don't know if they still do.
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Fatip used to make the heads for MÜHLE razors up until 2009.....The new head Fatip is different than the old Muehles and Joris heads, If it was the same as the Joris and Mulhe we would not have gone into a group buy to get a italin made/Fatip from an outside vendor. We would have just gone to mulhe and bought one there.
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My Joris Horn has a different top plate than my Joris Major. The base plates are the same.
My Joris Horn has a different top plate and base plate than the Muhle Pre-2008 R89.
My Joris Horn has the same top plate but a different base plate than the Muhle Pre-2008 R41/Fa Tip.
My Joris Major has the same top plate but a different base plate than the Muhle Pre-2008 R89.
My Joris Major has a different top plate and bottom plate than the Muhle Pre-2008 R41/Fa Tip.
My Muhle Pre-2008 2009 R89 has a different top plate but the same bottom plate than the Muhle Pre-2008 R41/Fa Tip.
In other words there are two different top plates and two different base plates. I'll arbitrarily label each type 'A' and 'B'.
I'm not sure why my Joris Horn and Joris Major are different. I purchased my Joris Horn on eBay and the seller listed it as an 'Art of Shaving' razor. I don't know how old it is either. Maybe AoS tweaked the razor when they rebranded it or maybe Joris changed the design recently. I can't say with certainty.
I'll put up some pictures tomorrow.
- AoS/Joris Horn - purchased used from eBay
- Joris Major - purchased new in 2011
- Muhle Pre-
20082009 R89 - purchased from Bull Goose - Muhle Pre-
20082009 R41/Fa Tip - purchased from the BST
My Joris Horn has a different top plate than my Joris Major. The base plates are the same.
My Joris Horn has a different top plate and base plate than the Muhle Pre-2008 R89.
My Joris Horn has the same top plate but a different base plate than the Muhle Pre-2008 R41/Fa Tip.
My Joris Major has the same top plate but a different base plate than the Muhle Pre-2008 R89.
My Joris Major has a different top plate and bottom plate than the Muhle Pre-2008 R41/Fa Tip.
My Muhle Pre-
In other words there are two different top plates and two different base plates. I'll arbitrarily label each type 'A' and 'B'.
| | Top Plate || Bottom Plate |
| | A || A |
| | B || A |
| | B || B |
| | A || B |
I'm not sure why my Joris Horn and Joris Major are different. I purchased my Joris Horn on eBay and the seller listed it as an 'Art of Shaving' razor. I don't know how old it is either. Maybe AoS tweaked the razor when they rebranded it or maybe Joris changed the design recently. I can't say with certainty.
I'll put up some pictures tomorrow.
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the new Fatip is diffrent than those mulhe 09 razors. Fatip stopped making Muhles heads on 2009....
Really? So the razor from JeffE's group buy is different than the Muhle Pre-
Care to make it interesting?
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It is a different head design, thats why we went for an outside vendor and paid double the price, or else we wouldve saved 50% and went w Fendrihan...why would i spend more money on a same head razor that i can buy here? you know i like to save money.
It is a different head design, thats why we went for an outside vendor and paid double the price, or else we wouldve saved 50% and went w Fendrihan...why would i spend more money on a same head razor that i can buy here? you know i like to save money.
Fendrihan doesn't sell the Pre-
Anyway, you can see the differences between the razors in my attached pictures. From left to right: AoS/Joris Horn, Joris Major, Muhle Pre-
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Some of the best comparison pic I have seen in a long time. Thank you
Nice pic James. I didn't know about the differences in caps!
The manufacturer of the Fatip made a few different styles of that razor, which were rebranded variously. The chrome Mühle in your photo (3rd from the left) is the Fatip 42107. The nickel-plated, skinny one on the far right is a Fatip 42100. There's a gold-plated Fatip (42115) that was sold under the Premax brand in Australia.
Morocutti has a nice list of Fatips, although you cannot purchase from them online. Their website is in Italian, but if you click on "Rasoi" (razors) and then "Rasoi di Sicurezza" (safety razors) you'll find their catalog.
The manufacturer of the Fatip made a few different styles of that razor, which were rebranded variously. The chrome Mühle in your photo (3rd from the left) is the Fatip 42107. The nickel-plated, skinny one on the far right is a Fatip 42100. There's a gold-plated Fatip (42115) that was sold under the Premax brand in Australia.
Morocutti has a nice list of Fatips, although you cannot purchase from them online. Their website is in Italian, but if you click on "Rasoi" (razors) and then "Rasoi di Sicurezza" (safety razors) you'll find their catalog.
Thanks for the additional info, Francesco. That was news to me.
Pictures are fantastic. I recently received a replacement head from Joris for my Thuja Wood handled model. It appears to have the same base plate as yours but the top plate looks like your pre-2008 R89 while the head it replaced looks the same as your Major.
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