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20 Shaves from a Feather Razor (!?)

(I meant "razor blade" of course.)
This concerns shaving technique mostly, but primarily applied to DE gear.

As a disclaimer, everything here is as honest and objective as I can make it, but if you don't believe me I won't blame you. It has come as a very big surprise to me as well and I'd be skeptical if reading this too.

My razor blade duration was previously comparable to what I'd been reading for others. Also, my recommended technique was mostly like that of most posters, and Mantic's videos, and other sources.

Like most others, I was initially getting around three, maybe four or five good shaves out of a Feather blade. Nice performance when new but not my "go to" blade.

I spent a while shaving with Gem Micromatics - yep, all three models, the open comb and Clog-Pruf and Bullet Point. I'd seen comments along the lines that "all current shavers agree that the instructions aren't correct, that putting the top of the head flat against the face doesn't work..." and you had to angle it farther out to be effective. But I didn't see those comments until after I'd been using them for awhile. The original instructions appeared to work fine as initially described, but did require pressure.

So later I went back to DE shaving, and apparently carried some of the habits forward without knowing. I started getting 6-7 shaves out of a Feather, and proportionally more out of Astras and Iridiums. Later, yet more. Then I got analytical and wondered what would happen if I shaved with exactly the same technique as I was using with the Micromatics.

That involved breaking paradigms I had believed in and passed along to others. Specifically I started putting the top of the razor head against the face at an angle where it wouldn't cut with very light pressure, and then applying pressure until it started to cut. Not minimal pressure, substantial pressure. Which I thought was all wrong.

The following pictures give some idea of the angle used. Please disregard the lather - it dried while I was setting up the camera, and it also seemed that less visual obstruction would help imaging.



Showing downstroke on cheeks - first pass.



Across the grain strokes.

These images were taken when shaving for the 19th time with a single Feather blade. (No typo.) The previous blade lasted 15 shaves, then I discarded it thinking that it must be dull by now. I suspect it really wasn't - just hadn't saturated the beard hairs.

In both cases, all the preparation and details were the same as before:
(1) Cella alternated with Miller's Wool Fat soap.
(2) About "3.5 pass" shaving, with extra attention to neck and parts of chin.
(3) Blade wiped clean with fingers, razor dried and all re-assembled.
(4) Same storage conditions.
(5) My beard grows fast and is coarse. Skin sensitivity is about average AFAIK.

The only thing that was changed was the angle of attack and pressure. The top of the DE head was placed against the face, with a very low angle between the head and facial surface, and then increasing pressure was applied until it started to bite into the beard.

I would have thought this would lead to razor burn, but in fact it seems to be exactly the opposite. This technique seems to be fairly insensitive to errors with regard to pressure. In other words, if you press a bit too hard, there are *fewer* consequences. I don't have a good explanation, but that's what I've observed. I haven't experienced any razor burn at all.

I understand how easy it is to mislead oneself, and I really wasn't setting out to prove anything or extend blade duration. So I have been checking periodically with a few strokes from a different razor with a "new" Feather blade. I was ready to abandon the test if there was a difference at any point.

Most of the shaving was done with a short-comb Gillette New. The razor shown in these pictures was used for the later shaves with the current blade - it's a Gillette New Britsh-made long comb that has a pretty wide blade gap as shown below. For the record, shaving with the technique described above, I just can't see any difference at all between razors with different gaps. The flatness of the cap seems more important.

The blade gap, commonly regarded as an indicator of "aggressiveness", doesn't appear to enter into the performance. I used this razor for a reason, because I suspected that a wide gap with a very low angle would approximate a razor without any comb or guard, and I think maybe it did!



In every case, the standard was BBS or as close to that as I've ever gotten. No increase of strokes was required to achieve that. At shave #19 on Wednesday, I'm noting a very slight increase in tugging, about like shave No. 4-5 some months ago. But still BBS results.

As far as the mechanism involved, I really don't know. I think the flexibility of the skin is probably crucial. With the blade more nearly parallel to the face and significant pressure applied, the situation is ever less like a flat plane...the skin is rolled upward to meet the blade ahead of the razor. The lower cutting angle appears to extend the blade longevity a great deal.

As always, YMMV and whatever floats your boat.

- Bill
 
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Interesting find. Very difficult to believe, but not impossible. I will have to try and see for myself. Thanks for the post.
 
Like most others, I was initially getting around three, maybe four or five good shaves out of a Feather blade.
I started getting 6-7 shaves out of a Feather

I'm assuming you mean daily shaves?

I shave twice a week and use a new feather for each shave (i've tried doing more but the shave gets horrid after the second pass). If i could get 2 shaves out of a feather it would be awesome! I will try this, just curious though, how do you shave your chin?
 
I'm assuming you mean daily shaves?

I shave twice a week and use a new feather for each shave (i've tried doing more but the shave gets horrid after the second pass). If i could get 2 shaves out of a feather it would be awesome! I will try this, just curious though, how do you shave your chin?

Oh yes, daily!
Chin...same angle, more tricky there as the facial curvature enters into it. But I was conscious of that when shaving with a steeper angle anyway, so this is the same but requires more concentration. No big deal.

Wish I had a video camera sometimes. It would be easier to demonstrate this on YouTube. I'll probably end up being the last person in America without a videocam and not on Facebook.
 
Interesting results you've had. I too will test this and see what happens. After all it's just a little skin a maybe some blood, I'll make more:thumbup:
 
If you give this method a shot, do let us know how it goes.
One thing I'd suggest is, give it a little time.
Old habits die hard.
It'll take a while to settle into a consistently different angle and pressure.
Did for me anyway, but the Micromatic experience eased that along.

Well, today was shave #20.
It's hard to decide.
No decline in final results, but it's just starting to require a few more strokes in the harder to shave spots.

Honestly, I don't blame anyone who doesn't believe this. I'm completely surprised.

After pondering, I think I'll try my old standby Astra SP blades next.
Used to get 5-7 decent shaves with that, compared to 3-4 with Feather.

I want to see if the results scale up, or if maybe there's something about a very sharp blade like the Feather that makes the longevity possible.

- Bill
 
A point of curiosity, if you will, Woodfluter. How do you treat the blade/razor when you are finished shaving and is that a brass razor?
 
All makes perfect sense to me. I suspect most people aim to have the top cap and safety bar touching the skin, so the blade juts out and the skin folds around it - even with light pressure. That's leads to a scraping style of shave.
I now aim to have just the top cap touching, and the blade barely touching skin. I'm certain this gives a smoother shave, less blade wear, and just plain better cutting action (forces are directed along the plane of the blade as much as possible.)
I have actually considered using your method before - it seems perfectly viable.

If I may repeat my picture from another thread, my method is shown by the images on the left, it doesn't matter a hoot to me what the adjuster is set to (but I set it to 1 because that's where the safety bar assists my method the best does its job.)

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Your method just lifts the handle a little more than the images on the left, and pressure allows skin to move to the blade. It seems to me that is at least as good as the standard method, though if you get the angle wrong while applying pressure there may be consequences.

P.S. I've started my own test to seem how many shaves I can get from a Feather. Only done 3 shaves so far, I'm aiming for at least 7. (Last Feather failed at 5, blade may not have been the culprit.)
 
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A point of curiosity, if you will, Woodfluter. How do you treat the blade/razor when you are finished shaving and is that a brass razor?

I did explain that briefly but to go into more detail:

(1) Disassemble razor and remove blade.
(2) Rinse off blade, wiping residue away from the edges with my fingers.
(3) Rinse head parts, usually cleaning crevices with a soft brush and more rinsing.
(4) Pat dry head parts.
(5) Flick ends of the blade alternately to flip off water droplets.
(6) Re-assemble including blade, and place back on a rack in my medicine cabinet.

Takes much longer to write than it takes to do!

Yes, the razor shown (not used for most of the shaving in this thread, but anyway...) is brass plated with nickel, presumably. Got from another B&B member on BST. Mr Razor shows one like it on his website under "New", and calls it "1930's-40's French Service Set, made in England", but I have a hard time sussing that out historically. In any case, something of an outlier. I like it anyway, even if the handle is quite skinny.

Bowlturner -

Sure, 4 *was* around the usual maximum for me too. This is about a different way to shave and the consequences. Quite unexpected.

- Bill
 
I now aim to have just the top cap touching, and the blade barely touching skin. I'm certain this gives a smoother shave, less blade wear, and just plain better cutting action (forces are directed along the plane of the blade as much as possible.)
I have actually considered using your method before - it seems perfectly viable.

Thanks Rajagra. I think we're on the same track here. However...

If I may repeat my picture from another thread, my method is shown by the images on the left, it doesn't matter a hoot to me what the adjuster is set to ...
Your method just lifts the handle a little more than the images on the left, and pressure allows skin to move to the blade.

Actually, quite a bit more unless I'm off on my estimate of the angles. Checking against your illustrations, I'd say I'm lifting the handle a good 25-30 degrees higher. Your pictures (very nice ones by the way) show the skin as a flat surface, and steepening the angle by 30 degrees just wouldn't work at all if it were like a board, but it isn't. Pressure plus the flexibility of the skin makes all the difference.

It seems to me that is at least as good as the standard method, though if you get the angle wrong while applying pressure there may be consequences.

Probably true. But along with the blade longevity, part of the surprising result is that, if you keep the angle consistent, it isn't terribly sensitive to pressure. If I apply a bit more, such as would surely produce razor burn with a standard angle of attack, there's no consequences. Honestly, I haven't experienced any razor burn at all using this method. I finish with witch hazel containing 14% alcohol, and if there's burn I can tell right away.

Do let me know how it works for you. Again, my angle and pressure may be different if the pictures are an indication.

All the best,
- Bill
 
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Can you show a picture of how the blade looks on the neck? Does the same apply?

Yep, exactly the same angle etc applies to the neck. I showed two pictures, admittedly made hastily on a tabletop tripod, to show the typical first-pass downward stroke and for contrast a second-pass XTG stroke. I showed both of these on the flat of the cheek, mostly because that's how the "classic" illustrations of yesteryear were made for some reason.

Actually, the reason isn't that inexplicable. It's just simpler to see angles where the surface of the skin doesn't curve every which way! But your question is a good one. It's the same all over; only where the skin curves you are going by feel and making constant adjustments to keep the angle low as it glides over curves. My ear tells me when the blade is cutting.

That's part of the reason I suggested giving this a fair trial and not reaching conclusions after one shave. There's a learning curve and old habits are contradicted. I'm very curious to see what others find.

I generally have to lather and make extra passes on the neck area and underneath the chin. My hair grows in odd directions there and the last of the stubble always lies at a very low angle to the skin. So if I weren't a perfectionist, three quick passes and it's absolutely fine. But I'm a bit OCD and more "polishing" work is required to feel nothing at all.

- Bill
 
Interesting I'm reading this after I just finished my first 2 shaves with the new style R41 which already seems to require much less of an acute angle of the blade against the skin.

The technique is like how I used to shave with MIII and Fusion carts. Since the angle of those blades are so flat, I needed to dig in with pressure to get some action.
 
Interesting thread. I prefer my Slim opened up to at least 7, but then I definitely hold it so the cap and blade are touching my skin but not the safety bar, if that makes sense. I use no pressure whatsoever. I find that shaves are less irritating with the Slim opened up to 7, 8, or 9 and more irritating if I dial it down to a "less aggressive" setting. I suppose I'm sort of doing what you're saying, except that I'm not applying pressure at all.

I may have to try putting the razor at 1 or 2, keeping the cap on the face, and applying pressure until it cuts, just to see what happens. I wonder, though, whether this method might work better with an OC razor. I do have a long-tooth NEW; might have to give it a try.
 
WOW! It is sharing knowledge like this that is the greatness of Borg & Blade! Fresh Derby, Slim on 7. WAY more efficient - my face was squeaky smooth after 3 passes, and I have always done 4+ with safety bar Gillettes.

I'll be using all my DE razors as if they were SEs from now on! Onward to better shaves and longer blade life!
 
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