The "mix" or lather in method shaving is not very thick but is very slick. It should be loose enough that it is almost sliding off of your face.
Originally Posted by supershaver
Yes, Q3 is jawline to apple.
Then I tried doing the forms. First of all, is Q3 supposed to be the region of the neck that is below the chin but before the neckline (basically, from the jawline to the adam's apple)?
I hope so, because that's what I assumed it to be. By the way, the videos don't show shaving this area too clearly, I wish it did.
The passes should be N-S, Diagonal & Down from outside to midline, Diagonal and Up from outside to midline.
Also, I can't really tell what the arrows mean in Q3 and the video didn't really show it either. Since it's not 3D, it's hard to tell what the arrows are pointing at.
While I'm not familiar with the activator (wasn't in existence when I toyed with method shaving) I do know that the paste was a one-time product. It is, however, recommended to hit the cube after every 2nd or 3rd pass.
One thing I have a question on: am I supposed to relather the brush for each pass (cube, activator, paste), or is the initial lather supposed to last the whole shave?
Most likely the rawness is from too much pressure. The best results that I achieved from method shaving (or from any other type of wet shaving) came from ZERO pressure from me.
After doing the forms, I didn't really cut myself or anything, but my face felt a little raw after doing the 4 passes. I have a feeling this is because I'm pushing to hard while shaving and I need to train myself to have a lighter touch.
Doing all these passes are going to be brutal if I can't be more gentle. This is why I wish I bought the tonic, I have a feeling it would help after the shaving along with the conditioner.
I also think that my technique contributed to the rawness.
Also, the tonic isn't going to do anything special for razor burn. It is a pleasant addition but not at all necessary.
For stroke length, you can take whatever length of stroke that is comfortable to you. As you have pointed out, however, mutliple strokes over areas that no longer have cream on them can irritate the skin in a hurry.
I'm used to doing short strokes with the razor and I have a subconscious habit of doing each stroke 2 or 3 times.
In the video, the guy did long strokes and only one. I think my brain is afraid of this, especially in the areas like under the chin and the chin itself. I have this fear of the blade getting caught and just pulling a chunk of skin off, but I have to get over this somehow. So, not only am I doing 4 passes, but I'm actually doing like 4x2 or 4x3 passes, which is a lot of scraping!
While CAR doesn't recommend going against the grain, I believe this is a personal preference. Regardless of the method you use, if you have properly reduced your beard and used zero pressure throughout the shave, then you should be able to finish up with a zero pressure pass against the grain.
I've read that in method shaving, it's not recommended to go against the grain, but I honestly don't think I'm going to get BBS unless i do. Can't I do it safely after the 4 passes?
I just don't see any other way of getting BBS. I really hope that once I get good at method shaving, i can go against the grain every day at some point or another during my shave. My chin area will never be smooth without it, I don't care how many passes I do.
Skin stretching is a topic (like most others) that has been debated greatly. I am not a skin stretcher but will occassionally be a skin holder. I will sometimes press a finger into my face to prevent the skin from moving during a stroke.
What's the deal with skin stretching?
In the video, I didn't see the guy doing skin stretching at all, but I find that the skin will bunch up in certain areas if I don't do it (like the chin or under the chin). Again, maybe this is because I'm pressing to hard. And I'm a pretty skinny guy, so it's not like I have flab on my skin. I mean, I'm much skinnier and younger than the video guy (no offense, i swear!) and I still find stretching helpful.
For form 1, you should make a true N-S pass. For form 2, you should go diagonal and down toward the midline of the face. The exact angle that will work best for you is something that you will have to find through experimentation. The best angle for me is to go from the top of the ear to the chin. Form three is diagonal and up, and again, the exact angle will differ for each individual. The best angle for me is from the corner of my jaw to near nostril.
Going back to the forms, I don't get what's happening in Q3 or Q1 for that matter. In the first form for Q3, what is North-South? From the bottom of the chin to the back of the neck?
And what happens in the next 2 forms? I don't get it. And as for Q1, what is happening in the 3rd form? Am I just shaving diagonally to the center-bottom of the chin?
Opinions on method shaving differ for every person who has tried it. My own personal views are that while it is a good system with good products, it is not any better than shaving with a quality cream. Where I believe method shaving to be great is the forms and the concept of reduction and no razor pressure. I follow these same concepts regardless of my product choice and get tremendous shaves with no irritation. As an example of my regular routine:
In conclusion, the shave was okay, nothing great. I did feel as though the Derby blades are better than my previous walmart personnas. Also, I'm pretty sure that the hydrolast products feel better for shaving than the proraso and other creams I was using before. I hope it's just my beginner's technique that is preventing me from getting a great shave. I've been searching for the perfect shave for over a year now, I hope this is the way to go. I believe in method shaving because it's detailed and a lot of the explanations make sense in an academic way. Thanks for reading!
After thorough beard prep, I make two N-S passes (form 1). I then complete a diagonal and down pass (form 2). I have added in a horizontal pass from outside to the midline. Next is a diagonal and up pass (form 3). From this point I do a modified version of form 2 from the jaw down which includes j-hooks along the jawline and also go S-N over Q1. I then finish with a final pass that is form 2 from the jawline down and another S-N on Q1 (note: the upper lip never gets a S-N pass, only N-S, diagonals and horizontal).
Total, I perform 7 passes. Again, this is a ZERO pressure shave.
From the comments that you have made, I think your biggest issues are pressure and shaving over areas multiple times where you are taking "naked" strokes over latherless areas. Regardless of your product choices, these are techniques that need to be changed.
Best of luck to you. Keep us updated on your progress.
Last edited by Kyle; 03-25-2007 at 10:59 AM.
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