I have both the Attar of Roses and Irish Glen. I agree they are more thick lotion like in consistency. As far as water amount, they do need a little more water but I tend to start of a little dry and keep adding water normally until I get the lather I want. I found that after the lather rested during the 1-2 and 2-3 passes that the lather got even better just by adding a couple of drops of water to them in addition to rinsing my face. I could have gotten 5-6 passes out of it if I wanted to. I was using a C&E BBB brush.
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