now many of you may be laughing at old spice and refined being used in the same sentence but i have no memory of anyone using this and have only smelled it for the first time. so i have no associations with used car salesmen or dad for that matter. but this stuff ain't bad. i'm using old old spice in glass bottles if that counts for anything. are there any other good aftershaves that are on the warming/red side that are as good and affordable as os? not looking for the floids or musgos but the drugstore stuff.